[Bug localedata/11947] New locale for Meadow Mari language

[Bug localedata/11947] New locale for Meadow Mari language

[mistresssilvara at hotmail dot com]

http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=11947

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--- Comment #2 from Slava Kileev <slavakileev at yandex dot ru> 2010-10-04 07:50:16 UTC ---
Subject: Re:  New locale for Meadow Mari language



04.10.10, 06:31, "drepper dot fsp at gmail dot com" <sourceware-bugzilla@sourceware.org>:

> 
>  ------- Additional Comments From drepper dot fsp at gmail dot com  2010-10-04 02:31 -------
>  You have to use the ru_RU file for the language-independent categories.  Use 
>  "copy".
>  

Hello, Ulrich Drepper

Could you please specify what categories are language-independent?
This locale file was created according national standards and cultural well-established traditions. Some differences in mhr_RU from ru_RU could be, these differences in files reflect cultural differences. Please specify exact categories that we could look into the problem.

Regards,
Slava


--- Comment #3 from -EMail Hidden- <mistresssilvara at hotmail dot com> 2011-04-07 11:18:34 UTC ---
First, as follows from here

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9C%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%8C%D0%BC%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%8C

Marian language has some extra letters over Russian 33, and therefore they must
be described in LC_COLLATE section.

Second, as M. probably doesn't have R. words "да" и "нет", yesexpr and noexpr
should be fixed to use letters for M. words.

Finally, LC_MONETARY, LC_NUMERIC, LC_PAPER, LC_TELEPHONE, LC_MEASUREMENT,
LC_NAME and LC_ADDRESS, being a federal-level standard, should be copied from
ru locale.

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[Bug localedata/11947] New locale for Meadow Mari language

[slavakileev at yandex dot ru]

http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=11947

--- Comment #4 from Slava Kileev <slavakileev at yandex dot ru> 2011-04-18 09:05:14 UTC ---
Thanks for comments.

Yes, Marian language has some extra letters, that are absent in Russian. These
additional letters are fine sorted in iso-14651_t1 that is used in LC_COLLATE
section of the file. Is there a necessity to duplicate appropriate rules from
iso-14651 files?

Now, I have changed yesexpr and noexpr to appropriate Mari letters. Thanks for
remark.

About LC_MONETARY. mhr_RU - locale is for Russian Federation as a country. So,
money should be rubles. Rubles in Mari language would be "Теҥге", all prices in
Mari language have Mari spelling rather than Russian. So only the "currency
symbol" has Mari spelling, all other fields are the same as in Russian locale.

LC_NUMERIC, LC_PAPER, LC_TELEPHONE, LC_MEASUREMENT, LC_NAME and LC_ADDRESS are
the same as in ru_RU.

I have updated the file with locale, it is still available for download from
here:
http://marlamuter.org/public/linux/mhr_RU

Is there any other things that should I do to make Mari locale file approved
and added to glibc?

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[Bug localedata/11947] New locale for Meadow Mari language

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--- Comment #5 from Avram Lyon <ajlyon at gmail dot com> 2011-04-23 19:41:34 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #4)
> About LC_MONETARY. mhr_RU - locale is for Russian Federation as a country. So,
> money should be rubles. Rubles in Mari language would be "Теҥге", all prices in
> Mari language have Mari spelling rather than Russian. So only the "currency
> symbol" has Mari spelling, all other fields are the same as in Russian locale.

And this holds across many of the non-Russian languages of the Russian
Federation, such as the nearby Tatar and Bashkir. The non-Russian names of the
ruble had well-documented official status in the Soviet Union (see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_ruble#Ruble_in_the_Soviet_Union, or any
banknote from that period), and Mari is one of many local languages that
maintains an native term.

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[Bug localedata/11947] New locale for Meadow Mari language

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http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=11947

--- Comment #6 from -EMail Hidden- <mistresssilvara at hotmail dot com> 2011-05-09 14:34:20 UTC ---
> ...These
> additional letters are fine sorted in iso-14651_t1 that is used in LC_COLLATE
> section of the file. Is there a necessity to duplicate appropriate rules from
> iso-14651 files?

In that file they're not defined as letters but as diacritic variants of base
letter, and ҥ sorts as н and г combination. If they are actual letters, and
have their own section in dictionary, or not intermingled with ы or о, then
unique sort weights should be created and assigned.

> Is there any other things that should I do to make Mari locale file approved
> and added to glibc?

I doubt libc developers care (or know) about Mari at all, so most likely you'll
have to wait for a couple of years.

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[Bug localedata/11947] New locale for Meadow Mari language

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http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=11947

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--- Comment #7 from Ulrich Drepper <drepper.fsp at gmail dot com> 2011-05-09 23:06:13 UTC ---
You have to change the state of the bug from WAITING.  WAITING is hiding bugs
in queries.

I fixed up the locale and added it.

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[Bug localedata/11947] New locale for Meadow Mari language

[slavakileev at yandex dot ru]

http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=11947

--- Comment #8 from Slava Kileev <slavakileev at yandex dot ru> 2011-05-10 14:32:18 UTC ---
Thanks a lot! This locale is very important for Mari people. We will be waiting
for a new version of glibc.

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[Bug localedata/11947] New locale for Meadow Mari language

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[Bug localedata/11947] New: New locale for Meadow Mari language

[slavakileev at yandex dot ru]

I have created locale file for Meadow Mari language. I suppose, it should be 
added to upstream. The file is here:
http://marlamuter.org/public/linux/mhr_RU

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           Summary: New locale for Meadow Mari language
           Product: glibc
           Version: unspecified
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P2
         Component: localedata
        AssignedTo: libc-locales at sources dot redhat dot com
        ReportedBy: slavakileev at yandex dot ru
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[Bug localedata/11947] New locale for Meadow Mari language

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------- Additional Comments From drepper dot fsp at gmail dot com  2010-10-04 02:31 -------
You have to use the ru_RU file for the language-independent categories.  Use 
"copy".

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