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From: "triegel at redhat dot com" <sourceware-bugzilla@sourceware.org>
To: glibc-bugs@sources.redhat.com
Subject: [Bug nptl/13165] pthread_cond_wait() can consume a signal that was sent before it started waiting
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 16:21:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <bug-13165-131-EzarGUxrkK@http.sourceware.org/bugzilla/> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <bug-13165-131@http.sourceware.org/bugzilla/>


http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=13165

--- Comment #26 from Torvald Riegel <triegel at redhat dot com> 2012-09-20 16:21:01 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #24)
> Although I agree that the spec allows this interpretation, I think it is highly
> impractical and unintuitive, that's why I believe it is not what the authors
> had in mind. But of course, the only resolution of this argument at this point
> is to ask them for clarification. So I don't see any point in arguing any more
> without involving them.

If the requirements in the specification should change in the future, we can
look at this again. I personally don't think that this makes cond vars
significantly impractical or unintuitive, but that is a trade-off that the
standards body will have to make (or probably did when it produced the current
spec).

Until then, I suppose that you now agree that this is correct behavior
according to the current spec.

> Meanwhile, just consider this: you have code in the implementation which tries
> to prevent spurious wakeups and it basically aims to establish a timeline of
> the calls to pthread_cond_signal() and pthread_cond_wait()

Not a timeline, but just overall number of signals or threads that started
waiting.

> and assumes that a
> wakeup is spurious if it occurred without a signal being sent after the
> respective thread blocked.

It is spurious if there were not enough signals being sent, or other threads
consumed the signals that were sent.

> I dare say that the code suggests that whoever wrote
> this code had the same assumptions about ordering as me.

Looking at the git log for the respective files, you should take that question
to Ulrich or Jakub.

> And it actually
> contradicts your interpretation, because with your interpretation a single
> counter of outstanding signals would be enough.

I doubt that (if you want to do this efficiently).

> BTW, the reason why this code fails to work correctly is very simple - you
> can't detect spurious wakeups reliably using constant memory without giving up
> all ordering guarantees.

I think you can (just combine something like a ticket lock with the futex) --
but this won't be efficient.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-09-20 16:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-09-07 19:15 [Bug nptl/13165] New: " mihaylov.mihail at gmail dot com
2011-09-21  9:12 ` [Bug nptl/13165] " mihaylov.mihail at gmail dot com
2011-09-21 18:19 ` bugdal at aerifal dot cx
2011-09-21 22:29 ` bugdal at aerifal dot cx
2011-09-22 22:21 ` mihaylov.mihail at gmail dot com
2011-09-25 21:33 ` mihaylov.mihail at gmail dot com
2011-09-25 21:44 ` mihaylov.mihail at gmail dot com
2011-09-26  9:27 ` mihaylov.mihail at gmail dot com
2011-09-26 16:20 ` bugdal at aerifal dot cx
2011-09-27 10:10 ` mihaylov.mihail at gmail dot com
2011-09-27 10:13 ` mihaylov.mihail at gmail dot com
2011-09-28  2:07 ` bugdal at aerifal dot cx
2011-09-28  2:08 ` bugdal at aerifal dot cx
2011-09-28  9:03 ` mihaylov.mihail at gmail dot com
2011-09-28 16:06 ` bugdal at aerifal dot cx
2011-09-28 21:00 ` mihaylov.mihail at gmail dot com
2012-09-19 15:15 ` triegel at redhat dot com
2012-09-19 15:21 ` triegel at redhat dot com
2012-09-19 17:23 ` bugdal at aerifal dot cx
2012-09-20 10:28 ` mihaylov.mihail at gmail dot com
2012-09-20 10:43 ` triegel at redhat dot com
2012-09-20 11:05 ` mihaylov.mihail at gmail dot com
2012-09-20 11:23 ` triegel at redhat dot com
2012-09-20 11:58 ` triegel at redhat dot com
2012-09-20 12:46 ` mihaylov.mihail at gmail dot com
2012-09-20 12:49 ` mihaylov.mihail at gmail dot com
2012-09-20 16:21 ` triegel at redhat dot com [this message]
2012-09-20 18:39 ` bugdal at aerifal dot cx
2012-09-20 19:48 ` mihaylov.mihail at gmail dot com
2012-09-20 20:31 ` bugdal at aerifal dot cx
2012-09-21  8:04 ` triegel at redhat dot com
2012-09-21  8:05 ` siddhesh at redhat dot com
2012-09-21  8:54 ` bugdal at aerifal dot cx
2012-09-21 15:45 ` triegel at redhat dot com
2012-10-18  6:26 ` mihaylov.mihail at gmail dot com
2012-10-18 12:25 ` bugdal at aerifal dot cx
2012-10-24 20:26 ` triegel at redhat dot com
2012-10-25  4:08 ` bugdal at aerifal dot cx
2013-01-19 16:19 ` scot4spam at yahoo dot com
2014-02-16 17:45 ` jackie.rosen at hushmail dot com
2014-03-28  9:23 ` dancol at dancol dot org
2014-05-28 19:44 ` schwab at sourceware dot org
2014-06-27 12:09 ` fweimer at redhat dot com
2014-08-18 21:22 ` triegel at redhat dot com
2014-08-18 21:42 ` bugdal at aerifal dot cx
2015-08-26 15:29 ` kkersten at cray dot com
2017-01-01 21:32 ` triegel at redhat dot com

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