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From: "lopresti at gmail dot com" <sourceware-bugzilla@sourceware.org>
To: glibc-bugs@sourceware.org
Subject: [Bug nptl/13690] pthread_mutex_unlock potentially cause invalid access
Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2014 17:46:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <bug-13690-131-d4RMnuuoT6@http.sourceware.org/bugzilla/> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <bug-13690-131@http.sourceware.org/bugzilla/>

https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=13690

--- Comment #32 from Pat <lopresti at gmail dot com> ---
(In reply to Torvald Riegel from comment #31)
> 
> You can't claim that just one of the semantics is "correct".

Um, actually, you can... Based on (a) the only sane interpretation and (b) THE
ACTUAL EXAMPLE USAGE GIVEN IN THE POSIX SPEC.

> Also, because you mentioned conforming applications: those won't be helped
> by glibc implementing something (incl. something stronger) that's not
> guaranteed by POSIX.

"Hey, POSIX authors, did you actually mean the example code you gave in the,
you know, spec?"

"Yes, we actually meant it."

Is that what you are waiting to hear before you fix this bug? Seriously?

Most people writing "conforming applications" are going to expect the examples
in the spec to... let's see... I dunno... work?

> No, it does not need to be a global lock.  You just make sure that all
> threads that use the resource you want to destruct have quiesced.

To "make sure that all threads ... have quiesced", you must do one of two
things: (a) Rely on some synchronization mechanism, all of which are currently
broken due to this bug; or (b) wait for all threads to exit.

You are arguing for (b): To destroy a mutex -- any mutex -- you must first wait
for every thread that ever touched that mutex to exit.

Is it possible to code against these semantics? Of course. It is also possible
to code without using threads. Or function calls. Or multiplication.

But the whole point of a primitive is to provide useful semantics across a
variety of applications. And by "a variety", I mean more than one (1).

There is one nice thing about this bug, though. It provides a quintessential
(and hilarious) example of why people laugh and roll their eyes when they hear
the phrase "glibc maintainer".

I wonder, what's the over/under on whether this bug gets fixed before 2017?

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-01-06 17:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-02-14 14:28 [Bug nptl/13690] New: " anemo at mba dot ocn.ne.jp
2012-02-14 14:29 ` [Bug nptl/13690] " anemo at mba dot ocn.ne.jp
2012-02-14 15:39 ` carlos at systemhalted dot org
2012-02-14 15:41 ` carlos at systemhalted dot org
2012-02-14 15:42 ` carlos at systemhalted dot org
2012-02-15  6:47 ` ppluzhnikov at google dot com
2012-02-15 13:18 ` anemo at mba dot ocn.ne.jp
2012-02-15 14:35 ` carlos at systemhalted dot org
2012-02-16  5:09 ` bugdal at aerifal dot cx
2012-02-16 14:43 ` anemo at mba dot ocn.ne.jp
2012-02-16 14:47 ` anemo at mba dot ocn.ne.jp
2012-02-16 15:37 ` carlos at systemhalted dot org
2012-02-16 15:41 ` carlos at systemhalted dot org
2012-02-16 16:22 ` bugdal at aerifal dot cx
2012-02-16 16:35 ` carlos at systemhalted dot org
2012-02-17  5:11 ` bugdal at aerifal dot cx
2012-02-17 13:27 ` anemo at mba dot ocn.ne.jp
2012-02-17 16:18 ` carlos at systemhalted dot org
2012-02-17 16:37 ` carlos at systemhalted dot org
2012-02-20 11:42 ` anemo at mba dot ocn.ne.jp
2012-02-22 14:57 ` carlos at systemhalted dot org
2012-02-29 16:54 ` carlos at systemhalted dot org
2012-03-07 10:30 ` drepper.fsp at gmail dot com
2012-03-07 17:53 ` bugdal at aerifal dot cx
2012-03-08  3:23 ` carlos at systemhalted dot org
2012-03-08  5:13 ` bugdal at aerifal dot cx
2012-04-28  9:57 ` coolhair24 at verizon dot net
2012-06-27 22:32 ` jsm28 at gcc dot gnu.org
2012-11-29 15:55 ` carlos_odonell at mentor dot com
2012-12-01 16:43 ` aj at suse dot de
2012-12-03 23:57 ` carlos at systemhalted dot org
2013-10-09 20:14 ` neleai at seznam dot cz
2013-12-18 20:13 ` triegel at redhat dot com
2013-12-18 20:33 ` bugdal at aerifal dot cx
2013-12-18 20:49 ` bugdal at aerifal dot cx
2013-12-20 19:08 ` lopresti at gmail dot com
2013-12-20 19:38 ` carlos at redhat dot com
2013-12-20 20:25 ` triegel at redhat dot com
2013-12-20 22:51 ` bugdal at aerifal dot cx
2014-01-03  9:10 ` kevin.dempsey at aculab dot com
2014-01-06 16:58 ` triegel at redhat dot com
2014-01-06 17:46 ` lopresti at gmail dot com [this message]
2014-01-06 20:38 ` triegel at redhat dot com
2014-01-06 20:47 ` bugdal at aerifal dot cx
2014-01-06 21:20 ` triegel at redhat dot com
2014-01-06 21:24 ` bugdal at aerifal dot cx
2014-03-28  1:27 ` dancol at dancol dot org
2014-03-28 20:07 ` tudorb at gmail dot com
2014-06-20 12:23 ` kevin.dempsey at aculab dot com
2014-06-20 18:29 ` triegel at redhat dot com
2014-06-20 19:02 ` bugdal at aerifal dot cx
2014-06-20 19:10 ` bugdal at aerifal dot cx
2014-06-23  3:06 ` bugdal at aerifal dot cx
2014-06-25 14:34 ` triegel at redhat dot com
2014-06-25 16:01 ` bugdal at aerifal dot cx
2014-06-25 17:40 ` triegel at redhat dot com
2014-06-25 18:03 ` bugdal at aerifal dot cx
2014-06-27  7:26 ` fweimer at redhat dot com
2014-08-09 20:38 ` triegel at redhat dot com
2014-08-12  2:29 ` bugdal at aerifal dot cx
2015-01-15  8:45 ` mtk.manpages at gmail dot com
2015-05-30 18:25 ` dancol at dancol dot org
2015-06-03  4:08 ` carlos at redhat dot com
2015-06-03  4:09 ` carlos at redhat dot com
2015-07-14 20:23 ` triegel at redhat dot com

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