[Bug localedata/14172] New: Please add the az_IR locale

[Bug localedata/14172] New: Please add the az_IR locale

[mousamk at gmail dot com]

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             Bug #: 14172
           Summary: Please add the az_IR locale
           Product: glibc
           Version: unspecified
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P2
         Component: localedata
        AssignedTo: unassigned@sourceware.org
        ReportedBy: mousamk@gmail.com
                CC: libc-locales@sources.redhat.com
    Classification: Unclassified


Created attachment 6425
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glibc locale definition file for az_IR

Dear glibc maintainers,

Please find the attached locale definition for az_IR to be considered for
inclusion in glibc.

Additional details about this locale:
Azerbaijani languages is the second most used language in Iran, after the
official Persian, and has 11 - 20 millions of speakers in Iran.
Azerbaijani languages in Iran differs from that of Azerbaijan in writing system
which is based on arabic script against latic script of Azerbaijan, and a few
of words.
More information:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azerbaijani_language
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Azerbaijani_language

Thanks for your attention,
Mousa Moradi

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[Bug localedata/14172] Please add the az_IR locale

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--- Comment #1 from -EMail Hidden- <mistresssilvara at hotmail dot com> 2012-08-17 14:54:54 UTC ---
So? From the article it is clear that Azeri in arabic script has no orthograpy,
sort order or even the alphabet. Locales should represent official codified
standards of languages, not everything that some internet community has
invented or uses.

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[Bug localedata/14172] Please add the az_IR locale

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--- Comment #2 from Mousa Moradi <mousamk at gmail dot com> 2012-10-11 09:24:01 UTC ---
Thanks for your attention, I was losing hope!

Actually it has orthography. This file contains the results of orthography
sessions held by our linguists and pioneer of our language, that led to
standardization of this language, and is now widely accepted and in use:
http://azeri.org/Azeri/az_arabic/azturk_standard.pdf

This language also has its own ISO 639-3 code as an independent and official
language: "azb". This is some information about this code and language in some
well known linguistic websites:
http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=azb
http://www.llmap.org/languages/azb.html
http://globalrecordings.net/en/langcode/azb

It is not a community invented language, there are numerous publications,
broadcasting, historical resources and internet resources available on it.

However since it can almost be written with Persian keyboard and also due to
lack of our efforts, it has not been standardized in computer world and does
not have its own standard keyboard layout, or computer locale. As a first step
we need it to be accepted in glibc and then continue working on it.

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[Bug localedata/14172] Please add the az_IR locale

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--- Comment #3 from Andreas Jaeger <aj at suse dot de> 2012-11-16 11:14:00 UTC ---
Should this be az_IR or azb_IR? Looking at your latest comments I guess it
should be azb, shouldn't it?

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--- Comment #4 from Mousa Moradi <mousamk at gmail dot com> 2012-11-17 07:50:46 UTC ---
Both can be correct, but I see in the other locales that the 2-character codes
(ISO-639-1) are used, so I though it should be az_IR. The north Azerbaijani
locale is submitted as az_AZ, if we were to use ISO-639-3 codes, it should've
been azj_AZ.
I don't insist on any name. Please use which one you see to be suitable.

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[Bug localedata/14172] Please add the az_IR locale

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--- Comment #5 from keld at keldix dot com <keld at keldix dot com> 2012-11-17 16:08:29 UTC ---
On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 07:50:46AM +0000, mousamk at gmail dot com wrote:
> http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=14172
> 
> --- Comment #4 from Mousa Moradi <mousamk at gmail dot com> 2012-11-17 07:50:46 UTC ---
> Both can be correct, but I see in the other locales that the 2-character codes
> (ISO-639-1) are used, so I though it should be az_IR. The north Azerbaijani
> locale is submitted as az_AZ, if we were to use ISO-639-3 codes, it should've
> been azj_AZ.
> I don't insist on any name. Please use which one you see to be suitable.

We should use the 2-letter code if it exists.
This is in accodannce with practice, and also Internet practice
and the ISO standard on POSIX and Linux locales.

best regards
Keld

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--- Comment #6 from Mousa Moradi <mousamk at gmail dot com> 2012-11-17 22:20:07 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #5)
> 
> We should use the 2-letter code if it exists.
> This is in accodannce with practice, and also Internet practice
> and the ISO standard on POSIX and Linux locales.
> 
> best regards
> Keld

I'm OK with that.
My original request was with 2-letter code, too.

Thanks for attention.

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--- Comment #7 from Andreas Jaeger <aj at suse dot de> 2012-11-18 06:28:20 UTC ---
We have aze which is aliased to az for Azerbaijani and azb for Southern
Azerbaijani.

So, using az is correct since it's the two letter form.

There's no two letter form for Southern Azerbaijani and thus we should use azb.

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--- Comment #8 from Mousa Moradi <mousamk at gmail dot com> 2012-11-19 10:09:03 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #7)
> We have aze which is aliased to az for Azerbaijani and azb for Southern
> Azerbaijani.
> 
> So, using az is correct since it's the two letter form.
> 
> There's no two letter form for Southern Azerbaijani and thus we should use azb.

Please note that according to ISO-639-3, 'az' (or 'aze') is a macrolanguage and
has 'azj' (North Azerbaijani) and 'azb' (South Azerbaijani) as sublanguages.
The language in az_AZ is North Azerbaijani and not only a simple "Azerbaijani"

   az(aze)
     /\
    /  \
  azj  azb

Your dividing of this to "Azerbaijani" and "South Azerbaijani" is not correct,
since starting from ISO-639-3, one is macrolanguage and the other is a concrete
language. 'azj' is some kind of 'az' but 'az' is not necessarily 'azj'.

And looking to the fact that North Azerbaijani is not spoken in Iran, az_IR
implies 'azb'.

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--- Comment #9 from Andreas Jaeger <aj at suse dot de> 2012-11-19 19:34:53 UTC ---
My understanding of ISO 639 is that aze is an alias for az - and our rule is to
use the two letter form if it exists. You're requesting aze AFAIU.

But since it seems you don't agree with my interpration and I won't have time
in the next few weeks to dig deeper into this, I let others comment and take
over.

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--- Comment #10 from Mousa Moradi <mousamk at gmail dot com> 2012-11-20 17:11:57 UTC ---
Sorry to hear!
I just tried to say that az_IR is correct and there's no need to break the
usual pattern of using two-letter codes.
Of course azb_IR is more accurate but az_IR is not incorrect and as many other
language have used two-letter codes like sorani kurdish, northern azerbaijani
and ..., we can also use that in this case.

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--- Comment #11 from Mousa Moradi <mousamk at gmail dot com> ---
Created attachment 7576
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The updated locale file for South Azerbaijani language.

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--- Comment #12 from Mousa Moradi <mousamk at gmail dot com> ---
Ok, It's been two years now that I've been waiting! Does adding a simple locale
takes this much time? BTW I think having a 3-letter code is better than having
nothing. So if the problem was the choice of azb_IR or az_IR, I think both is
correct (although I think az_IR is more suitable) and I have no problem with
each one. I even updated the locale file for azb_IR coding.

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--- Comment #13 from Allan McRae <allan at archlinux dot org> ---
Send a copy to the libc-alpha mailing list to get it pushed forward.

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--- Comment #14 from Matreeks <braisi10 at yahoo dot com> ---
Dear maintainers,

As you may konw, we, Azerbaijani people in Iran, can not write in our language
in computer based systems. The main reason is that our language alphabet
definitions has not been yet registerd and supported in Linux based or other
computer operating systems. I have reviewed the proposed definition files and I
could say that they are indicators of our Arabic-alphabet-based writing system.
I would like to ask maintainers and admins about a little bit more acceleration
in registering and supporting our language in this systems, while millions of
Azerbaijani people in Iran are really waiting to see their language has been
supported by world's leading computer operating system.

Best Regards

Matreeks

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--- Comment #15 from Mousa Moradi <mousamk at gmail dot com> ---
Created attachment 7580
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The update 2-letter version of locale file.

The is alternative for the 3-version code. I'm adding it to have both options.

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