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From: "neleai at seznam dot cz" <sourceware-bugzilla@sourceware.org>
To: glibc-bugs@sourceware.org
Subject: [Bug libc/15615] Poor quality output from rand_r
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 12:11:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <bug-15615-131-QPIlI7DZ0K@http.sourceware.org/bugzilla/> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <bug-15615-131@http.sourceware.org/bugzilla/>

http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=15615

--- Comment #3 from Ondrej Bilka <neleai at seznam dot cz> ---
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 12:38:42PM +0000, bugdal at aerifal dot cx wrote:
> http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=15615
> 
> --- Comment #2 from Rich Felker <bugdal at aerifal dot cx> ---
> On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 08:26:27AM +0000, neleai at seznam dot cz wrote:
> > A problem here is that for many users predictability is much more
> > important than quality. Developer expects that when he uses rand_r with
> > state that he controls will not vary. This can cause extra debbuging hastle
> > when
> > code mysteriously fails on one machine but not other or desync issues.
> 
> Could you explain better what you're concerned about? By
> "predictable", do you mean keeping the same sequence it's had in the
> past? Aside from that, any PRNG with 32-bit state and 31-bit output is
> equally "predictable".
> 
> > > To fully fix rand_r, the approach of concatenating multiple iterations should
> > > be abandoned in favor of a single-LCG-iteration approach followed by an
> > > invertable transformation on the output. Obviously a 32-bit cryptographic block
> > > cipher would give the best statistical properties, but it would be slow. In
> > 
> > This is false, I have a replacement of this with four rounds of AES. On
> > intel using aesenc I performance is better than current, I did not
> > propose that due of problems above. I wrote a RFC for random
> > replacement on libc-alpha, browse archives.
> 
> AES itself does not use 32-bit blocks, so you must be using a modified
> version. Would you care to explain? I searched the archives but could
> not find your post.
> 
Here, I wrote a version relevant to random. I did this to see how fast I
could get if I employ paralellism and inlining.

http://sourceware.org/ml/libc-help/2012-12/msg00005.html

To test rand_r equivalent I wrote a simple generator (which is for
mostly to test performance, I did not look for quality.)

  movd    (%rdi),%xmm0
  movdqa %xmm0,%xmm1

  aesenc %xmm0,%xmm1
  aesenc %xmm0,%xmm1
  aesenc %xmm0,%xmm1
  aesenc %xmm0,%xmm1
  movd %xmm1, (%rdi)
  movd %xmm1, %eax
  shr $1, %eax


On sandy bridge this code runs at half of speed of rand_r.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-06-14 12:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-06-12 23:39 [Bug libc/15615] New: " bugdal at aerifal dot cx
2013-06-13  8:26 ` [Bug libc/15615] " neleai at seznam dot cz
2013-06-13  8:26 ` [Bug libc/15615] New: " Ondřej Bílka
2013-06-13 12:38 ` [Bug libc/15615] " bugdal at aerifal dot cx
2013-06-14 12:11   ` Ondřej Bílka
2013-06-14 12:11 ` neleai at seznam dot cz [this message]
2013-06-14 15:37 ` bugdal at aerifal dot cx
2013-06-25  6:58   ` Ondřej Bílka
2013-06-25 12:25 ` bugdal at aerifal dot cx
2014-06-13 15:07 ` fweimer at redhat dot com

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