[Bug localedata/16777] New: Incorrect thousands separator in pl_PL locale

[Bug localedata/16777] New: Incorrect thousands separator in pl_PL locale

[mgorny at gentoo dot org]

https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=16777

            Bug ID: 16777
           Summary: Incorrect thousands separator in pl_PL locale
           Product: glibc
           Version: unspecified
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P2
         Component: localedata
          Assignee: unassigned at sourceware dot org
          Reporter: mgorny at gentoo dot org
                CC: libc-locales at sourceware dot org

Currently, glibc lists the following for pl_PL locale:

- no thousands separator in LC_NUMERIC section,

- '.' as thousands separator in LC_MONETARY section.

While actually, a non-breaking space is used as thousands separator in both
cases. However, I'm not sure if it is correct to use <U00A0> in locales or if
<U0020> should be used instead.

It should be also noted that the grouping is used only for numbers having more
than 4 digits, i.e. '4000' does not use grouping, '40 000' and '4 000 000' do
on 3-digit groups. I don't know if it is possible to express this in current
glibc localedata format.

References:

1. opinion given by a linguist:
   http://poradnia.pwn.pl/lista.php?id=9842

2. EU publication guidelines:
   http://publications.europa.eu/code/pl/pl-360500.htm

3. example law act, having numbers e.g. on page 111 (PDF):
   http://isip.sejm.gov.pl/Download?id=WDU19910800350&type=3

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[Bug localedata/16777] Incorrect thousands separator in pl_PL locale

[myllynen at redhat dot com]

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https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=16777

Marko Myllynen <myllynen at redhat dot com> changed:

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--- Comment #1 from Marko Myllynen <myllynen at redhat dot com> ---
(In reply to Michał Górny from comment #0)
> Currently, glibc lists the following for pl_PL locale:
> 
> - no thousands separator in LC_NUMERIC section,
> 
> - '.' as thousands separator in LC_MONETARY section.
> 
> While actually, a non-breaking space is used as thousands separator in both
> cases. However, I'm not sure if it is correct to use <U00A0> in locales or
> if <U0020> should be used instead.

<00A0> should be used in this case, as do many other locales as well.

> It should be also noted that the grouping is used only for numbers having
> more than 4 digits, i.e. '4000' does not use grouping, '40 000' and '4 000
> 000' do on 3-digit groups. I don't know if it is possible to express this in
> current glibc localedata format.

Perhaps you want to see whether that's doable, please see the Locales wiki page
which has a link to a page describing LC_NUMERIC and grouping in detail. The
page contains also information on how to test and submit your locale changes.

Thanks.

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--- Comment #2 from keld at keldix dot com <keld at keldix dot com> ---
On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 07:10:18AM +0000, myllynen at redhat dot com wrote:
> https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=16777
> 
> Marko Myllynen <myllynen at redhat dot com> changed:
> 
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> 
> --- Comment #1 from Marko Myllynen <myllynen at redhat dot com> ---
> (In reply to Micha?? Górny from comment #0)
> > Currently, glibc lists the following for pl_PL locale:
> > 
> > - no thousands separator in LC_NUMERIC section,
> > 
> > - '.' as thousands separator in LC_MONETARY section.
> > 
> > While actually, a non-breaking space is used as thousands separator in both
> > cases. However, I'm not sure if it is correct to use <U00A0> in locales or
> > if <U0020> should be used instead.
> 
> <00A0> should be used in this case, as do many other locales as well.
> 
> > It should be also noted that the grouping is used only for numbers having
> > more than 4 digits, i.e. '4000' does not use grouping, '40 000' and '4 000
> > 000' do on 3-digit groups. I don't know if it is possible to express this in
> > current glibc localedata format.
> 
> Perhaps you want to see whether that's doable, please see the Locales wiki page
> which has a link to a page describing LC_NUMERIC and grouping in detail. The
> page contains also information on how to test and submit your locale changes.

I do not think the "under 10000" is doable with current glibc functionality.

furthermore I think this is not desirable, for LC_MONETARY.

The no break space versus the COMMA/PERIOD thousands separator issue
is a classical problem between linguistic and computer use.
Linguists tends in many languages, European style, to advocate no break space,
but for computer use a period is most often used. I have yet to see a financial
application to use no break space. Bank applications and ledger applications do
not
use no break space.

Actually we shoud probably provide for both styles, and also do the "no
separator
for under 10000.". I would then advise that we use the current functionality
in the POSIX style, and compatible with the POSIX/C locale, and then have new
keywords
both in LC_MONETARY and LC_NUMERIC for the linguistic styles.

Best regards
Keld

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commit d7a68734f7bbc76586017461cff19af0d9cb4df8
Author: Joseph Myers <joseph@codesourcery.com>
Date:   Mon Mar 31 12:51:45 2014 +0000

    Fix futimesat for older MicroBlaze kernels (bug 16648).

    Continuing the fixes for __ASSUME_* issues in preparation for moving
    to a 2.6.32 minimum kernel version, this *untested* patch fixes bug
    16648, the definition of __ASSUME_ATFCTS meaning that the futimesat
    syscall is assumed for all MicroBlaze kernels despite not being
    present until 2.6.33.

    __ASSUME_ATFCTS controls conditionals relating to a lot of different
    syscalls in Linux-specific code (fstatat64 faccessat fchmodat fchownat
    futimesat newfstatat linkat mkdirat openat readlinkat renameat
    symlinkat unlinkat mknodat), where whether newfstatat fstatat64
    futimesat are used depends on the architecture, as well as controlling
    whether openat64_not_cancel_3 is expected to work in
    sysdeps/posix/getcwd.c.  The assumptions are all OK as of 2.6.32
    except for this MicroBlaze case, and it's generally desirable to get
    rid of as many of the __ASSUME_ATFCTS conditionals as possible, to
    simplify the code (the fallbacks include potential unbounded dynamic
    stack allocations).  Thus, rather than the simplest approach of
    undefining __ASSUME_ATFCTS for older kernels on MicroBlaze, this patch
    takes the approach of using the linux-generic implementation of
    futimesat for MicroBlaze kernels before 2.6.33 (all such kernels have
    the utimensat syscall).

        [BZ #16648]
        * sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/microblaze/kernel-features.h
        [__LINUX_KERNEL_VERSION >= 0x020621] (__ASSUME_FUTIMESAT): Define.
        * sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/microblaze/futimesat.c: New file.

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Summary of changes:
 ChangeLog                                          |    7 ++++++
 NEWS                                               |    6 ++--
 .../sysv/linux/microblaze/futimesat.c}             |   21 +++++++++----------
 .../unix/sysv/linux/microblaze/kernel-features.h   |    5 ++++
 4 files changed, 25 insertions(+), 14 deletions(-)
 copy sysdeps/{powerpc/powerpc64/multiarch/strcspn.c =>
unix/sysv/linux/microblaze/futimesat.c} (64%)

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[Bug localedata/16777] Incorrect thousands separator in pl_PL locale

[fweimer at redhat dot com]

https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=16777

Florian Weimer <fweimer at redhat dot com> changed:

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[Bug localedata/16777] pl_PL: incorrect thousands separator in locale

[vapier at gentoo dot org]

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Mike Frysinger <vapier at gentoo dot org> changed:

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            Summary|Incorrect thousands         |pl_PL: incorrect thousands
                   |separator in pl_PL locale   |separator in locale

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