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From: "adhemerval.zanella at linaro dot org" <sourceware-bugzilla@sourceware.org>
To: glibc-bugs@sourceware.org
Subject: [Bug string/31055] Request: guarantee that memcpy(x, x, n) is well-defined
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2023 15:30:43 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <bug-31055-131-XGX4N93vQD@http.sourceware.org/bugzilla/> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <bug-31055-131@http.sourceware.org/bugzilla/>

https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=31055

--- Comment #3 from Adhemerval Zanella <adhemerval.zanella at linaro dot org> ---
(In reply to Ralf Jung from comment #2)
> > From the draft proposal document [1], it means that memcpy and other string/memory functions might accept NULL/invalid arguments. 
> 
> Yes, that too. Though I opened this issue specifically about the src==dest
> case.

I think with this extra constraint we can't really mark the memcpy as having
'restrict' arguments, which would also have extra performance implications.  It
would also mean deviating from C standard which I am not sure would be really
the correct approach.

(I may be reading the restrict keyword definition wrongly, and thus the C
standard does allow restrict with a pointer to alias to itself).

> 
> > I am also not sure if *all* the architecture memcpy implementation handles memcpy(x, x, n) correctly, although I expect it would not be an issue (GCC is already generating code with this assumption).
> 
> That's the thing. Either they fail for that case and we have a problem since
> GCC (and clang and rustc) generate bad code. Or they are all fine for that
> case and de-facto they can't change that anyway because GCC (and clang and
> rustc) rely on it, and it's better to just officially document this rather
> than continue with this annoying situation where something's clearly broken
> but nobody wants to fix it.

My understanding is if the compiler can not ensure the memory ranges don't
overlap, it should emit a memmove instead. But this is really a corner case
that won't really trigger the wrong result because afaiu all glibc memcpy
implementations do not issue any tricks as the powerpc one valgrind described.

> 
> (And this issue is not purely theoretical, it leads to real problems such as
> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148543. The valgrind devs are waiting
> for *someone* to clarify what the contract for memcpy actually is.)

And I think valgrind will need to at least keep this warning for non-glibc
targets, which I am not it would simplify things.  Maybe the best way would to
follow the __memcmpeq route, where it was added solely for compile usage.

[1] https://sourceware.org/pipermail/libc-alpha/2021-September/131099.html

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Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-11-11 17:37 [Bug string/31055] New: " post+sourceware.org at ralfj dot de
2023-11-11 18:41 ` [Bug string/31055] " sam at gentoo dot org
2023-11-13 18:47 ` adhemerval.zanella at linaro dot org
2023-11-18 17:56 ` post+sourceware.org at ralfj dot de
2023-11-21 15:30 ` adhemerval.zanella at linaro dot org [this message]
2023-11-23  7:36 ` post+sourceware.org at ralfj dot de
2023-11-23 11:53 ` adhemerval.zanella at linaro dot org
2023-11-23 14:48 ` sam at gentoo dot org
2023-11-23 15:18 ` post+sourceware.org at ralfj dot de
2023-11-24  7:46 ` rguenth at gcc dot gnu.org
2023-11-24  8:52 ` post+sourceware.org at ralfj dot de
2023-11-24  9:37 ` rguenth at gcc dot gnu.org
2023-11-28  7:18 ` sam at gentoo dot org

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