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From: "adhemerval.zanella at linaro dot org" <sourceware-bugzilla@sourceware.org>
To: glibc-bugs@sourceware.org
Subject: [Bug dynamic-link/31076] Extra struct vm_area_struct with ---p created when PAGE_SIZE < max-page-size
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2023 17:39:48 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <bug-31076-131-sOT6FlY57g@http.sourceware.org/bugzilla/> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <bug-31076-131@http.sourceware.org/bugzilla/>

https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=31076

--- Comment #9 from Adhemerval Zanella <adhemerval.zanella at linaro dot org> ---
(In reply to Florian Weimer from comment #8)
> (In reply to Adhemerval Zanella from comment #7)
> > So the mprotect is essentially a hardening feature, assuming that the
> > dynamic object padding/holes might contain gadgets.  It still does not
> > happen for loader and main program itself, since normally they would be
> > mapped by the kernel and its does do anything with holes,
> 
> There's no expectation that these are contiguous in memory, yes. Such an
> expectation exists for shared objects loaded by glibc.

Right, but my point is if this is a hardening feature that glibc aims to
provide it does not help if the kernel still does not provide it for the loader
(if this is built with a different page size) and the main program itself.
Should we push for kernel to implement a similar handling?

And the holes seem to be always from the initial read-only segment, which makes
the whole gadget avoidance argument moot. This would make sense back when RELRO
was not wildly used/deployed (even with the current somewhat broken status),
but it still does not make much sense to me.

> 
> > and IMHO it should
> > up to the static linker to fill the padding with NOP/trap instruction to
> > avoid such issues. 
> 
> That requires padding to the maximum page size on disk, though.

But this is what binutils does [1], and while not being optimized it seems that
it would be somewhat hard to fix it (at least with Fangrui Song suggestion).

[1] https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=30612

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Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-11-18 18:48 [Bug dynamic-link/31076] New: " jyescas at google dot com
2023-11-18 18:50 ` [Bug dynamic-link/31076] " jyescas at google dot com
2023-11-21 13:42 ` carlos at redhat dot com
2023-11-22  0:39 ` i at maskray dot me
2023-11-22  4:33 ` kaleshsingh at google dot com
2023-11-22 18:19 ` jyescas at google dot com
2023-11-23 11:42 ` sam at gentoo dot org
2023-11-24 17:40 ` adhemerval.zanella at linaro dot org
2023-11-27 15:11 ` fweimer at redhat dot com
2023-11-27 15:22 ` fweimer at redhat dot com
2023-11-27 16:27 ` adhemerval.zanella at linaro dot org
2023-11-27 17:19 ` fweimer at redhat dot com
2023-11-27 17:39 ` adhemerval.zanella at linaro dot org [this message]
2023-11-27 17:45 ` fweimer at redhat dot com
2023-11-27 17:58 ` adhemerval.zanella at linaro dot org
2023-11-27 19:47 ` jyescas at google dot com
2023-11-27 19:55 ` jyescas at google dot com
2023-11-28  8:48 ` rprichard at google dot com
2023-11-28 18:59 ` kaleshsingh at google dot com
2023-11-28 23:58 ` jyescas at google dot com
2023-12-02 17:08 ` i at maskray dot me
2023-12-06 11:57 ` fweimer at redhat dot com
2023-12-07  5:11 ` i at maskray dot me
2023-12-07  9:30 ` fweimer at redhat dot com
2023-12-08  3:22 ` i at maskray dot me
2024-06-23 18:24 ` corsix at corsix dot org

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