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Lu" Cc: GNU gABI gnu-gabi , GCC Development , Binutils , GNU C Library , llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org Subject: Re: [llvm-dev] RFC: Add GNU_PROPERTY_UINT32_AND_XXX/GNU_PROPERTY_UINT32_OR_XXX Message-ID: <20210618000600.c7yh6twgbukmyouj@google.com> References: <20210617193825.zzjyoybttajksw5x@google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-19.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, DKIMWL_WL_MED, DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, DKIM_VALID_EF, ENV_AND_HDR_SPF_MATCH, KAM_SHORT, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS, TXREP, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL, USER_IN_DEF_SPF_WL autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: gnu-gabi@sourceware.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Gnu-gabi mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2021 00:06:08 -0000 On 2021-06-17, H.J. Lu wrote: >On Thu, Jun 17, 2021 at 1:25 PM Fāng-ruì Sòng wrote: >> >> On Thu, Jun 17, 2021 at 12:46 PM H.J. Lu wrote: >> > >> > On Thu, Jun 17, 2021 at 12:38 PM Fangrui Song wrote: >> > > >> > > On 2021-06-17, H.J. Lu via llvm-dev wrote: >> > > >On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 7:02 AM H.J. Lu wrote: >> > > >> >> > > >> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 9:06 AM H.J. Lu wrote: >> > > >> > >> > > >> > 1. GNU_PROPERTY_UINT32_AND_LO..GNU_PROPERTY_UINT32_AND_HI >> > > >> > >> > > >> > #define GNU_PROPERTY_UINT32_AND_LO 0xb0000000 >> > > >> > #define GNU_PROPERTY_UINT32_AND_HI 0xb0007fff >> > > >> > >> > > >> > A bit in the output pr_data field is set only if it is set in all >> > > >> > relocatable input pr_data fields. If all bits in the the output >> > > >> > pr_data field are zero, this property should be removed from output. >> > > >> > >> > > >> > If the bit is 1, all input relocatables have the feature. If the >> > > >> > bit is 0 or the property is missing, the info is unknown. >> > > >> > > How to use AND in practice? >> > > Are you going to add .note.gnu.property to all of crt1.o crti.o >> > > crtbegin.o crtend.o crtn.o and miscellaneous libc_nonshared.a object >> > > files written in assembly? >> > > >> > > >> > 2. GNU_PROPERTY_UINT32_OR_LO..GNU_PROPERTY_UINT32_OR_HI >> > > >> > >> > > >> > #define GNU_PROPERTY_UINT32_OR_LO 0xb0008000 >> > > >> > #define GNU_PROPERTY_UINT32_OR_HI 0xb000ffff >> > > >> > >> > > >> > A bit in the output pr_data field is set if it is set in any >> > > >> > relocatable input pr_data fields. If all bits in the the output >> > > >> > pr_data field are zero, this property should be removed from output. >> > > >> > >> > > >> > If the bit is 1, some input relocatables have the feature. If the >> > > >> > bit is 0 or the property is missing, the info is unknown. >> > > >> > >> > > >> > The PDF is at >> > > >> > >> > > >> > https://gitlab.com/x86-psABIs/Linux-ABI/-/wikis/uploads/0690db0a3b7e5d8a44e0271a4be54aa7/linux-gABI-and-or-2021-01-13.pdf >> > > >> > >> > > >> > -- >> > > >> > H.J. >> > > >> >> > > >> Here is the binutils patch to implement it. >> > > >> >> > > > >> > > >If there are no objections, I will check it in tomorrow. >> > > >> > > If the use case is just ELF_RTYPE_CLASS_EXTERN_PROTECTED_DATA, it'd be >> > > very kind of you if you can collect more use cases before generalizing >> > > this into a non-arch-specific GNU PROPERTY. >> > > >> > > The "copy relocations on protected data symbols" thing is x86 specific >> > > and only applies with gcc+GNU ld+glibc. >> > > Non-x86 architectures don't have this thing. >> > > gold doesn't have this thing. >> > > clang doesn't have this thing. >> > >> > It will be used to remove copy relocation and implement canonical function >> > pointers, which will benefit protected data and function. >> >> The action items in >> https://gitlab.com/x86-psABIs/x86-64-ABI/-/issues/8#note_593822281 >> can be applied without a GNU PROPERTY. >> >> If we want to enforce the link-time check that a shared object is no longer >> compatible with copy relocations, just make the shared object's non-weak >> definitions protected, and add a GNU ld diagnostic like gold >> (https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=19823) >> >> --- >> >> For functions, >> >> On x86-64, gcc -fpic has been using leaq addr()(%rip), %rax since at least >> 4.1.2 (oldest gcc I can find on godbolt): >> >> __attribute__((visibility("protected"))) >> void *addr() { return (void*)addr; } >> >> // a protected non-definition declaration is the same. >> >> // while asm(".protected addr") can use GOT, it is super rare if ever exists >> // outside glibc elf/vis*.c >> >> I have checked all of binutils 2.11, 2.16, 2.20, 2.24, 2.35. The have >> the same diagnostic: >> >> relocation R_X86_64_PC32 against protected function `addr' can not >> be used when making a shared object >> >> I think we can assert that taking the address of a protected function >> never works with GNU ld. >> So no compatibility concern. >> Fixing it (https://sourceware.org/pipermail/binutils/2021-June/116985.html) >> doesn't need any GNU PROPERTY. >> >> --- >> >> For variables, if an object file/archive member does not have GNU PROPERTY, do >> you consider it incompatible with "single global definition"? That is why I >> mentioned crt1.o crti.o crtbegin.o crtend.o crtn.o and libc_nonshared.a members >> written in assembly. >> >> If you consider such an object compatible with "single global definition", I >> don't see why a GNU PROPERTY is needed. >> >> If you consider such an object incompatible with "single global definition", I >> don't see how "single global definition" benefits can be claimed giving so many >> prebuilt object files without GNU PROPERTY. > >Please see the slides in > >https://gitlab.com/x86-psABIs/x86-64-ABI/-/issues/8 > >which includes > >Dynamic Linker for Single Global Definition >• Check the single global definition marker on all components, the executable >and its dependency shared libraries. >• Issue an error/warning if the marker is not consistent on all components. This is not appealing from a compatibility point of view. It is common that a system has mixed shared objects: -fsingle-global-definition => a.so (marker value 1) no -fsingle-global-definition => b.so (marker value 0 or no marker) Issuing a warning will be annoying. If glibc x86 wants to deprecate copy relocations support, just fix the compilers(*)/GNU ld. -fno-pic dynamically linked executables are becoming rarer on modern Linux distributions, When the toolchain support is sufficiently mature (e.g. ld has warned/errored), add an opt-opt `LD_` style environment variable and let glibc ld.so warn, then gradually make it an error. * I can fix Clang -fno-pic at any time. I haven't done that just to be compatible with gcc -fno-pic. >• Disallow copy relocation against definition in the shared library with the >marker. >• For systems without function descriptor: >• Disallow function pointer reference in executable without the marker to the >definition with the STV_PROTECTED visibility in a shared library with >the marker. >• Use the address of the function body as function pointer on functions with the >STV_PROTECTED visibility, which are defined in shared libraries with the marker. I have provided the solutions in my previous message. >This provides the capability to detect the ABI change at run-time as well as >optimize for STV_PROTECTED symbol lookup. STV_PROTECTED symbols should not need a compiler option or a GNU PROPERTY to work (efficiently). As my previous message mentioned (gcc 4.1.2~now; GNU ld 2.11~now), protected function addresses in a shared object likely never work, at least for the past 20 years. For protected data, x86 copy relocations did not work prior to circa 2015. It never works on non-x86, gold, clang, or non-glibc. And I doubt any project uses protected data given that its sole purpose is for optimization while GCC 5 added unneeded indirection. Ulrich Drepper did add elf/vis* tests into glibc in 2000, but they use artificial inline asm .protected which does not reflect any reality. GNU ld -shared for a protected symbol * x86-64: broken direct access relocation, unneeded GLOB_DAT * aarch64: broken direct access relocation, unneeded GLOB_DAT * arm: unneeded GLOB_DAT for STT_OBJECT * ppc32: unneeded GLOB_DAT for STT_OBJECT * ppc64le: good, no GLOB_DAT * mips64el: good, no GLOB_DAT * riscv64: good, no GLOB_DAT Perhaps for binutils in 2000, more ports had unneeded dynamic relocations which made the elf/vis* tests more plausible. But the fragile support (acked by multiple glibc maintainers, including Adhemerval/Carlos/Szabolcs) is definitely largely irrelevant nowadays. >My linker implementation is at > >https://gitlab.com/x86-binutils/binutils-gdb/-/tree/users/hjl/property/master > >I will implement the dynamic linker change. > >> If we still want "absolutely no copy relocation for -fno-pic", just use GOT for >> default visibility external data access >> (https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=98112) >> Some architectures may not like it (i386/ppc32), just leave them behind. >> Modern architectures can do it. When things get matured, add a ld warning, >> then add a ld.so warning. When things get more matured, change the warnings to >> errors. >> >> Such changes should use a mechanism similar to glibc LD_DYNAMIC_WEAK (weak can >> preempt global) and Solaris LD_BREADTH (breadth-first order based dependency >> order) and LD_NODIRECT (direct bindings). At some point, introduce a behavior >> change. I don't think how an explicit marker can improve the compatibility >> story. The conceived compatibility issues likely don't really exist for > >The compatibility issue does exist. Please see the linker tests I added. ld-x86-64/protecte-func-* are artificial assembly which do not match the reality. They are cases where never work or aren't really promised to work before. >> functions. For copy relocations, I think we may need to wait an extended period >> of time. > >That is what the single global definition marker is used for. See my first paragraph why a GNU PROPERTY may not be a good compatibility solution.