From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5856 invoked by alias); 6 Oct 2018 13:47:05 -0000 Mailing-List: contact gnutools-advocacy-help@gcc.gnu.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: Sender: gnutools-advocacy-owner@gcc.gnu.org Received: (qmail 5834 invoked by uid 89); 6 Oct 2018 13:47:04 -0000 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; auth=none X-Virus-Checked: by ClamAV 0.100.1 on sourceware.org X-Virus-Found: No X-Spam-SWARE-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,KAM_LAZY_DOMAIN_SECURITY autolearn=no version=3.3.2 spammy=leadership, advocates, telling, advocate X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,KAM_LAZY_DOMAIN_SECURITY autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on sourceware.org X-Spam-Level: X-HELO: linux-libre.fsfla.org From: Alexandre Oliva To: David Edelsohn Cc: Richard Biener , gnutools-advocacy@gcc.gnu.org, "Richard M. Stallman" , "Carlos O'Donell" , iains.gcc@gmail.com Subject: Re: GNU toolchain web page Organization: Free thinker, not speaking for FSF Latin America References: <29850D75-B7F9-41FA-8E38-B8B4915D36BC@gmail.com> <45AA782B-502B-4BE9-9CBB-76917338CBD0@gmail.com> <95559138-7960-4694-A85F-E13D4E2FC218@gmail.com> Errors-To: aoliva@lxoliva.fsfla.org Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2018 00:00:00 -0000 In-Reply-To: (David Edelsohn's message of "Sat, 6 Oct 2018 08:52:15 -0400") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.84 X-SW-Source: 2018-q4/txt/msg00026.txt.bz2 On Oct 6, 2018, David Edelsohn wrote: > Please don't redirect a discussion about advocacy for the GNU > Toolchain and the design of the web page into a discussion about GNU > philosophy. The discussion was about what tools to use within this sub-sub-project.. Last I looked, GNU Tools were still part of the GNU Project. I happen to be a speaker for the GNU Project, which means its leadership trusts me to understand the values that matter for the project. And yet here you are, telling myself and the project leader, both significant advocates for the GNU Project, to keep GNU values out of the conversation about what tools to use to advocate for a significant portion of GNU. > And it discourages other people from joining and helping. Pushing proprietary software as a requirement to participate in a part of GNU does that in a far more harmful way. > Please stop making the conversation about you and your priorities. Please don't make that incorrect assumption. This is about GNU and GNU's priorities. > There are many other mailing lists and forums to discuss this topic > for those who wish to participate. Indeed. And this has already been discussed and settled there: GNU does not use or promote non-Free Software. Can we continue the present discussion about what tools to use for GNU Tools advocacy within this framework? Thanks, -- Alexandre Oliva, freedom fighter https://FSFLA.org/blogs/lxo Be the change, be Free! FSF Latin America board member GNU Toolchain Engineer Free Software Evangelist