From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 76104 invoked by alias); 10 Oct 2018 04:38:47 -0000 Mailing-List: contact gnutools-advocacy-help@gcc.gnu.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: Sender: gnutools-advocacy-owner@gcc.gnu.org Received: (qmail 76089 invoked by uid 89); 10 Oct 2018 04:38:46 -0000 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; auth=none X-Virus-Checked: by ClamAV 0.100.1 on sourceware.org X-Virus-Found: No X-Spam-SWARE-Status: No, score=1.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,KAM_LAZY_DOMAIN_SECURITY,LIKELY_SPAM_BODY autolearn=no version=3.3.2 spammy=advertising, participating, clarification, designing X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,KAM_LAZY_DOMAIN_SECURITY,LIKELY_SPAM_BODY autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on sourceware.org X-Spam-Level: * X-HELO: linux-libre.fsfla.org From: Alexandre Oliva To: "Carlos O'Donell" Cc: rms@gnu.org, David Edelsohn , gnutools-advocacy@gcc.gnu.org Subject: Re: GNU Toolchain web site mock-up Organization: Free thinker, not speaking for FSF Latin America References: Errors-To: aoliva@lxoliva.fsfla.org Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2018 00:00:00 -0000 In-Reply-To: (Carlos O'Donell's message of "Tue, 9 Oct 2018 10:01:19 -0400") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.84 X-SW-Source: 2018-q4/txt/msg00037.txt.bz2 On Oct 9, 2018, "Carlos O'Donell" wrote: > Any drafts in HTML with code will be reviewable by Alex. But that would require people to post it somewhere I could get to. Either Google Dox would end up being no different from using any local office tool, which means Google Dox would be used privately only, so that there's no point in advertising its use, or I'd be at a disadvantage position for needing these additional steps to collaborate, while some others would be collaborating directly through the proprietary software and SaaSS web service. The inadequate format and tooling for distributed and decentralized collaboration would create even worse issues than those I've experienced occasionally, trying to contribute to projects that unfortunately adopted Github and insist contributors to set up an account and submit Github pull requests, rather than patches/patchesets or traditional git pull requests. Neither setting up an account nor creating pull requests is possible without running non-Free Software provided by Github, so... you see where this is going. Either way, with Github or an office suite, I don't quite quite see how I'd propose patches, and how they'd be integrated. Being one of the members of this advocacy project from the very beginning (when it turned from dje's individual initiative to a groupo effort), I don't wish to be left out, or placed at a disadvantage, when there are tools we could use to collaborate to promote GNU, that are a lot more aligned with GNU. Now, I see I had misunderstood the intended use of the proposed tools. When Google Dox was mentioned, I thought of plans in text form, not of web sites proper. I have never used Google Dox, but the idea of designing a web site on it comes across as quite alien to me. Anyway, if at this point the idea is to propose web site designs, to be later implemented using some proper Free Software tools, I guess I need not even participate. I don't have much perception to looks, what I intended to cotribute to the project was written material (e.g. articles). However, there are other GNU contributors who may wish to contribute to the design of the sites' looks, and we don't want to exclude them from participating by requiring the use of proprietary tools, so I'd still appreciate clarification as to the extent of the intended use of the so far suggested proprietary tools and SaaSS sites, and make sure that we won't stop or make it difficult for anyone to participate by selecting inadequate tools for GNU. -- Alexandre Oliva, freedom fighter https://FSFLA.org/blogs/lxo Be the change, be Free! FSF Latin America board member GNU Toolchain Engineer Free Software Evangelist