From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 49998 invoked by alias); 6 Oct 2018 14:21:03 -0000 Mailing-List: contact gnutools-advocacy-help@gcc.gnu.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: Sender: gnutools-advocacy-owner@gcc.gnu.org Received: (qmail 49975 invoked by uid 89); 6 Oct 2018 14:21:02 -0000 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; auth=none X-Virus-Checked: by ClamAV 0.100.1 on sourceware.org X-Virus-Found: No X-Spam-SWARE-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,KAM_LAZY_DOMAIN_SECURITY autolearn=no version=3.3.2 spammy=seriously, speaking, collaborate, website X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,KAM_LAZY_DOMAIN_SECURITY autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on sourceware.org X-Spam-Level: X-HELO: linux-libre.fsfla.org From: Alexandre Oliva To: David Edelsohn Cc: Richard Biener , gnutools-advocacy@gcc.gnu.org, "Richard M. Stallman" , "Carlos O'Donell" , iains.gcc@gmail.com Subject: Re: GNU toolchain web page Organization: Free thinker, not speaking for FSF Latin America References: <29850D75-B7F9-41FA-8E38-B8B4915D36BC@gmail.com> <45AA782B-502B-4BE9-9CBB-76917338CBD0@gmail.com> <95559138-7960-4694-A85F-E13D4E2FC218@gmail.com> Errors-To: aoliva@lxoliva.fsfla.org Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2018 00:00:00 -0000 In-Reply-To: (David Edelsohn's message of "Sat, 6 Oct 2018 09:57:34 -0400") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.84 X-SW-Source: 2018-q4/txt/msg00028.txt.bz2 On Oct 6, 2018, David Edelsohn wrote: >> The discussion was about what tools to use within this sub-sub-project.. > No. That's not the discussion. Let me quote the discussion that I joined to. Tell me what you think is being discussed: I need to find a host for this site, maybe sourceware.org. Then I need to see what kind of server side tech we can use for this, like will we be able to use django on sourceware for this new website? So if I had to take a first step it would be to create a Google doc with a project plan for (1) and the pages we need to create for that. Here's an initial attempt at a placeholder for the website hosted through Github pages and built using Bootstrap. I had just been invited to join the list, after having expressed interest in participating in a GNU advocacy group. The least I'd expect is for the group to operate within GNU guidelines. So, that's where speaking for GNU kicks in. But you're right, there's also a personal issue about it. I don't use proprietary software. The choices that divert from GNU happen to also rule out my participation. Now, it is evident to me that the decisions about what tools to use have NOT been made. There hasn't been agreement. Ideas were put forth, but no agreement has been made. And hopefully no agreement will be made that makes it impossible for me to collaborate. I and others who take GNU seriously won't feel welcome that way. > Please do not insert yourself into another group of self-organizing > advocates and start ordering them around about what they should do and > how they should do it. Sorry to say, but you're the only one ordering people around. I'm just trying to take part in the project. Like I said I wanted to. Like I was invited to. Like I agreed to. Hijacking GNU subprojects is not nice. Please don't do that. I've asked you nicely four times. If you want to promote GNU, or parts thereof, please do so without defating its main purpose. Doing otherwise is rude. It's arrogant. It's offensive. It's not helpful. It's harmful to the entire project. Please stop. -- Alexandre Oliva, freedom fighter https://FSFLA.org/blogs/lxo Be the change, be Free! FSF Latin America board member GNU Toolchain Engineer Free Software Evangelist