insight builds with no errors on OSX, but gdb not! being built ...

insight builds with no errors on OSX, but gdb not! being built ...

[OpenMacNews]

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hi,

if i'm reading correctly, after a successful build of insight is
supposed to create a 'gdb' binary.

unfortunately, i find none :-/

my install step shows no trace of gdb being installed in .../bin.

./configuring with:

	./configure \
	--prefix=/usr/local/insight \
	--mandir=/usr/local/man\
	--with-mpfr=/usr/local/lib \
	--with-gmp=/usr/local/lib

all that IS installed in /bin is:

/usr/local/insight  > ls bin
	tclsh8.4  wish8.4

hmmm ...

i noted no ERRORs in configure, build or install steps.

looking back at my verbose configure console output, i *do* find:

...
checking for correct version of gmp.h... yes
checking for MPFR... yes
*** This configuration is not supported in the following subdirectories:
     bfd opcodes gdb sim
    (Any other directories should still work fine.)
...

which, at first glance looks suspicious.

checking the LIST, i find this thread:

	http://sourceware.org/ml/insight/2004-q3/msg00085.html

abt similar error in different dirs.

looking in 'configure', i find:

case "${target}" in
...
  powerpc-*-darwin*)
    noconfigdirs="$noconfigdirs bfd binutils ld gas opcodes gdb gprof"
    noconfigdirs="$noconfigdirs sim target-rda"
    ;;
  *-*-darwin*)
    noconfigdirs="$noconfigdirs ld gas gdb gprof"
    noconfigdirs="$noconfigdirs sim target-rda"
    noconfigdirs="$noconfigdirs ${libgcj}"
    ;;

which shows those dirs -- incl gdb -- as "nonconfigdirs". !?

so, how do i end up with a gui'd GDB for OSX?

any suggestions?

richard



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Re: insight builds with no errors on OSX, but gdb not! being built ...

[Hermann-Simon Lichte]

> ...
> checking for correct version of gmp.h... yes
> checking for MPFR... yes
> *** This configuration is not supported in the following  
> subdirectories:
>      bfd opcodes gdb sim
>     (Any other directories should still work fine.)
> ...

I realised that you're trying to build Insight for debugging Mac OS X  
applications. There are some peculiarities about Mac OS X, e.g., the  
use of Mach-O object files instead of ELF object files due to  
Darwin's Mach heritance. Apple keeps modified versions of gcc and gdb  
at www.opensource.apple.com, and I don't think that these  
modifications are considered in Insight. I can't think of any other  
operating system that still uses Mach-O besides Mac OS X.

Cheers,
Hermann

RE: insight builds with no errors on OSX, but gdb not! being built ...

[Dave Korn]

On 14 March 2006 18:30, Hermann-Simon Lichte wrote:

>> ...
>> checking for correct version of gmp.h... yes
>> checking for MPFR... yes
>> *** This configuration is not supported in the following subdirectories:
>>      bfd opcodes gdb sim
>>     (Any other directories should still work fine.)
>> ...
> 
> I realised that you're trying to build Insight for debugging Mac OS X
> applications. There are some peculiarities about Mac OS X, e.g., the
> use of Mach-O object files instead of ELF object files due to
> Darwin's Mach heritance. Apple keeps modified versions of gcc and gdb
> at www.opensource.apple.com, and I don't think that these
> modifications are considered in Insight. I can't think of any other
> operating system that still uses Mach-O besides Mac OS X.
> 


  Ah, that's just what I was going to point out in the 'other mail' I said I'd
be sending.  I don't know whether the apple version of gdb includes insight or
not, but if it doesn't, you could always try crudely wedging together the
apple gdb sources and the insight-specific subdirs and see if it works.  The
insight GUI is well enough decoupled from the gdb application that it might
work, or at any rate might work well enough to be getting on with.  For
instructions on how to munge an insight build into an existing gdb source
tree, see
http://sourceware.org/ml/insight/2004-q3/msg00009.html






    cheers,
      DaveK
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Re: insight builds with no errors on OSX, but gdb not! being built ...

[Keith Seitz]

Hermann-Simon Lichte wrote:

> I realised that you're trying to build Insight for debugging Mac OS X 
> applications. There are some peculiarities about Mac OS X, e.g., the use 
> of Mach-O object files instead of ELF object files due to Darwin's Mach 
> heritance. Apple keeps modified versions of gcc and gdb at 
> www.opensource.apple.com, and I don't think that these modifications are 
> considered in Insight. I can't think of any other operating system that 
> still uses Mach-O besides Mac OS X.

To clarify, the public FSF repository for gdb (which insight shares) 
does not contain the code specific to running on MacOS X. I think 
they've donated/merged their compiler changes, but zippo on the 
debugger. Don't quote me on that, but I don't remember ever seeing 
anything on gdb-patches to indicate that Apple is going to merge their 
OS X work with the public sources.

If you're looking for something to do, though, I'm sure Apple and FSF 
developers would _love_ to see someone spearhead this effort. Or do as 
someone else suggested: try to plonk insight on top of Apple's gdb. 
Probably not trivial, but probably a whole lot easier than merging Apple 
gdb into FSF gdb. [I'm just guessing here, though.]

I might just be tempted to do something like this myself if I had access 
to an OS X machine.

Keith

Re: insight builds with no errors on OSX, but gdb not! being built ...

[Hermann-Simon Lichte]

On 14.03.2006, at 20:19, Keith Seitz wrote:

> I might just be tempted to do something like this myself if I had  
> access to an OS X machine.

This has really caught my interest. I am just grabbing the gdb  
sources from the Apple website and I'll try to merge Insight 6.4.  
I'll let you know how I go.

Cheers,
Hermann

Re: insight builds with no errors on OSX, but gdb not! being built ...

[OpenMacNews]

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hi ,


>> I realised that you're trying to build Insight for debugging Mac OS X
>> applications. There are some peculiarities about Mac OS X, e.g., the
>> use of Mach-O object files instead of ELF object files due to
>> Darwin's Mach heritance. Apple keeps modified versions of gcc and gdb
>> at www.opensource.apple.com, and I don't think that these
>> modifications are considered in Insight. I can't think of any other
>> operating system that still uses Mach-O besides Mac OS X.

>   Ah, that's just what I was going to point out in the 'other mail' I said I'd
> be sending.  I don't know whether the apple version of gdb includes insight or
> not, but if it doesn't, you could always try crudely wedging together the
> apple gdb sources and the insight-specific subdirs and see if it works.  The
> insight GUI is well enough decoupled from the gdb application that it might
> work, or at any rate might work well enough to be getting on with.  For
> instructions on how to munge an insight build into an existing gdb source
> tree, see
> http://sourceware.org/ml/insight/2004-q3/msg00009.html

ok, it's official. yuck! all i wanted was pretty GUI to gdb ... sigh.

my 1st inclination is to checkout DATA DISPLAY DEBUGGER
http://www.gnu.org/software/ddd, to see if i fare any better, but wonder
whether the apple-specific garbage will again hoist me on my own petard.

i have zero interest in being the sole flunky with this goal ... so
before i start flailing about --  how much interest IS there (here, or
elsewhere) in getting insight playing nice with gdb on OSX?

cheers,

richard

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Re: insight builds with no errors on OSX, but gdb not! being built ...

[Hermann-Simon Lichte]

On 14.03.2006, at 20:37, OpenMacNews wrote:

> i have zero interest in being the sole flunky with this goal ... so
> before i start flailing about --  how much interest IS there (here, or
> elsewhere) in getting insight playing nice with gdb on OSX?

Insight is included in Apple's gdb! I am trying to build it right now  
which should tell you that you're not the *sole* flunky :D

Cheers,
Hermann

Re: insight builds with no errors on OSX, but gdb not! being built ...

[Hermann-Simon Lichte]

On 14.03.2006, at 20:54, Hermann-Simon Lichte wrote:

> Insight is included in Apple's gdb! I am trying to build it right  
> now which should tell you that you're not the *sole* flunky :D

I just noticed the following message when configuring gdb:

configure: WARNING: gdbtk isn't supported on powerpc-apple- 
darwin8.5.0; disabling

Now it's getting interesting!

Cheers,
Hermann

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hi hermann,

> Insight is included in Apple's gdb! I am trying to build it right now
> which should tell you that you're not the *sole* flunky :D

by 'included', i presume you mean 'as source' ... or has it been
somewhere rolled-out as a/the GUI-bin in the OSX devtools?

richard


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Re: insight builds with no errors on OSX, but gdb not! being built ...

[Hermann-Simon Lichte]

On 14.03.2006, at 21:14, OpenMacNews wrote:

> hi hermann,
>
>> Insight is included in Apple's gdb! I am trying to build it right now
>> which should tell you that you're not the *sole* flunky :D
>
> by 'included', i presume you mean 'as source' ... or has it been
> somewhere rolled-out as a/the GUI-bin in the OSX devtools?

In fact XCode uses gdb as its debugger and I was just curious whether  
you could debug any Mac OS X application with it. And you can!  
Richard, why not use XCode for debugging? What you need to do is to  
create a new empty project in XCode and add the executable to it that  
you would like to debug (click on Project->New Custom Executable...).  
Now you can start gdb from within a nifty Cocoa interface by clicking  
on Debug->Debug Executable. I think you should give it a shot. The  
debugger interface is awesome!

Cheers,
Hermann

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hi,

>>> Insight is included in Apple's gdb! I am trying to build it right now
>>> which should tell you that you're not the *sole* flunky :D
>>
>> by 'included', i presume you mean 'as source' ... or has it been
>> somewhere rolled-out as a/the GUI-bin in the OSX devtools?
> 
> In fact XCode uses gdb as its debugger and I was just curious whether
> you could debug any Mac OS X application with it. And you can! Richard,
> why not use XCode for debugging? What you need to do is to create a new
> empty project in XCode and add the executable to it that you would like
> to debug (click on Project->New Custom Executable...). Now you can start
> gdb from within a nifty Cocoa interface by clicking on Debug->Debug
> Executable. I think you should give it a shot. The debugger interface is
> awesome!

i'm aware of xcode's gdb integration ...

i was looking for a x-platform tool that would look-n-feel the same when
using gdb when building non-MacOSX apps (e.g., PostgreSQL etc etc) on
each platform.

hence, the interest in insight ...

cheers,

richard

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