From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14634 invoked by alias); 25 Jun 2014 22:52:05 -0000 Mailing-List: contact insight-help@sourceware.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: insight-owner@sourceware.org Received: (qmail 14427 invoked by uid 89); 25 Jun 2014 22:52:02 -0000 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; auth=none X-Virus-Found: No X-Spam-SWARE-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-HELO: mx1.redhat.com Received: from mx1.redhat.com (HELO mx1.redhat.com) (209.132.183.28) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.93/v0.84-503-g423c35a) with (AES256-GCM-SHA384 encrypted) ESMTPS; Wed, 25 Jun 2014 22:52:00 +0000 Received: from int-mx11.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com (int-mx11.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.24]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s5PMpqNU019846 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Jun 2014 18:51:52 -0400 Received: from valrhona.uglyboxes.com (ovpn01.gateway.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.9.1]) by int-mx11.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s5PMpnXX024400 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 25 Jun 2014 18:51:51 -0400 Message-ID: <53AB5285.3020909@redhat.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 22:52:00 -0000 From: Keith Seitz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Patrick Monnerat , insight@sourceware.org Subject: Re: Is the project still alive ? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-IsSubscribed: yes X-SW-Source: 2014-q2/txt/msg00011.txt.bz2 Hi, Patrick, I wish I had an answer for you, but I don't. I've been struggling with this very question for about a year now. It isn't really clear to me that EOLing Insight would affect more than a handful of people, and there are alternatives out there (Nemevier, Eclipse-based standalone, QtCreator, Code::Blocks, ...). Red Hat is no longer using Insight, and, as you correctly state, my time and paycheck go to working on different projects. Contributions are (very) few and (very) far between. A GIT repository exists, but I have not yet pushed it to sourceware. When I last played with this, I wasn't very pleased by the direction it was going. It was essentially a clone of the gdb repo with the insight/libgui bits thrown in. Yuck. [If anyone has any better ideas, I'm all eyes/ears.] At one time, my immediate for goal for the project was a slight/small "reboot": 1) create GIT repo [created, not published, not happy with it] 2) NO in-tree Tcl, Tk, Itcl, Itk, iwidgets, etc. All must be provided by the platform [or maybe on an auxiliary branch?] 3) Remove dependency on/prune libgui [TkTable is particularly troubling] 4) Linux-only first "release"; cygwin using X and mingw to follow 5) Remove all the Foundry/Code Fusion junk from the tree and simplify/audit the codebase. 6) Formalize and make "regular" snapshots/updates/releases I've toyed with jumping straight to a rewrite based on Tom Tromey's python-based efforts, but it is still unclear whether that would work well (enough?) on all the platforms I care about (Linux, MinGW, Cygwin). That notwithstanding, I had convinced myself that I would need a stop-gap solution until a rewrite was sufficiently advanced to be useful. In the end, a part of me still believes that there is an audience for Insight or something insight-like, i.e., a lightweight, *fast*, non-MI GUI for gdb. Keith PS. This note has reminded me that I really should install F21 and see where that's headed... /me installs rawhide