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From: Mark Wielaard <mark@klomp.org>
To: Andrew Haley <aph@redhat.com>
Cc: Andrew John Hughes <gnu_andrew@member.fsf.org>,
	Chris Gray <chris.gray@kiffer.be>,
	bmckinlay <bmckinlay@gmail.com>, svferro <svferro@gmail.com>,
	java <java@gcc.gnu.org>
Subject: Re: GCJ with OpenJDK Java API instead of GNU Classpath
Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 17:10:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1241716199.3769.16.camel@fedora.wildebeest.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4A030CE7.6050309@redhat.com>

Hi Andrew,

On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 17:31 +0100, Andrew Haley wrote:
> Mark Wielaard wrote:
> > On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 16:28 +0100, Andrew John Hughes wrote:
> >> 2009/5/7 Chris Gray <chris.gray@kiffer.be>:
> >>> Quoth Andrew John Hughes:
> >>>>> Huh?  I was assuming Java compatibility was the goal.
> >>> Compatibility with the non-existent specification for Java 7, or with the
> >>> equally non-existent JCK for Java 7 (for which there is no JSR)? <G, D & R>
> >>>
> >> Neither; the JCK for OpenJDK6 which the builds of IcedTea in Fedora have passed:
> >> http://openjdk.java.net/groups/conformance/
> > 
> > I don't think that is a serious option, that is only available under NDA
> > and only granted to people who sign an SCA with Sun and even then access
> > is only granted if Sun feels like it.
> 
> So why is it not a serious option?

Because it isn't a thing that a free software community can do
collaboratively in the open and involves requiring proprietary software.
Maybe a third party could do it for their own binary builds, but I don't
see how we as a community can recommend it, nor would I want to
recommend it myself.

> > That said, adopting something like jigsaw for the core class library and
> > then having the option to switch modules seems a fine idea.
> > Compatibility is much more about running actually code than some opaque
> > proprietary test suite.
> 
> It's about *both*.  All the JCK does is make sure you've implemented the
> APIs as specified.

:) Since the JCK is under NDA that claim is not verifiable. But you
could say that the JCK assumes one particular interpretation yeah.
Still, if a secret test suite would say things should work one way, but
actual programs expect things differently I would go with not breaking
existing stuff.

Cheers,

Mark

  reply	other threads:[~2009-05-07 17:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-05-07 14:31 Chris Gray
2009-05-07 15:29 ` Andrew John Hughes
2009-05-07 16:25   ` Mark Wielaard
2009-05-07 16:32     ` Andrew Haley
2009-05-07 17:10       ` Mark Wielaard [this message]
2009-05-07 17:20         ` Andrew Haley
2009-05-07 17:24           ` David Boreham
2009-05-07 17:34             ` Andrew Haley
2009-05-07 17:44           ` Mark Wielaard
2009-05-08  0:22             ` Andrew John Hughes
2009-05-08 10:13               ` Andrew Haley
2009-05-08 11:00                 ` Mark Wielaard
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-05-06 20:43 Sal
2009-05-07  9:17 ` Andrew Haley
2009-05-07 11:45   ` Bryce McKinlay
2009-05-07 13:25     ` Andrew John Hughes
2009-05-07 13:43       ` Andrew Haley
2009-05-07 13:50         ` Bryce McKinlay
2009-05-07 20:24   ` Sal
2009-05-08  8:04     ` Robert Schuster
2009-05-08 10:08     ` Andrew Haley
2009-05-07 16:28 ` Mark Wielaard
2009-05-08 13:47   ` Robert Schuster

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