From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtpout01-ext1.partage.renater.fr (smtpout01-ext1.partage.renater.fr [194.254.240.32]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FD62386F41C for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2020 18:27:15 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 sourceware.org 6FD62386F41C Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=oca.eu Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=damien.mattei@oca.eu Received: from zmtaauth01.partage.renater.fr (zmtaauth01.partage.renater.fr [194.254.240.25]) by smtpout10.partage.renater.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D24B61DF6 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2020 19:27:13 +0100 (CET) Received: from zmtaauth01.partage.renater.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zmtaauth01.partage.renater.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 96CD014052D for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2020 19:27:13 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zmtaauth01.partage.renater.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 929F21405B8 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2020 19:27:13 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zmtaauth01.partage.renater.fr Received: from zmtaauth01.partage.renater.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zmtaauth01.partage.renater.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id H7up8sh2K1Hy for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2020 19:27:13 +0100 (CET) Received: from 90.118.245.147 (unknown [194.254.241.250]) by zmtaauth01.partage.renater.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 5D94A14052D for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2020 19:27:13 +0100 (CET) Reply-To: Damien.Mattei@unice.fr Subject: Re: Kawa future and governance To: kawa@sourceware.org References: From: Damien MATTEI Message-ID: <041ffc42-3a9f-42c3-f3c7-1d2b3f7c2244@oca.eu> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2020 19:27:12 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.4.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: fr X-Renater-Ptge-SpamState: clean X-Renater-Ptge-SpamScore: 0 X-Renater-Ptge-SpamCause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedujedruddvhedguddufecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucftgffptefvgfftnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecunecujfgurheprhfuvfhfhffkffgfgggjtgfgsehtkeertddtfeejnecuhfhrohhmpeffrghmihgvnhcuofetvffvgffkuceouggrmhhivghnrdhmrghtthgvihesohgtrgdrvghuqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpedvfeehfedvueeiveffgfekvedtieffhfehfedtffekteehueeuhfefteekvdefhfenucffohhmrghinhepughomhhtvghrmhdrohhrghdpsghothhhnhgvrhdrtghomhenucfkphepudelgedrvdehgedrvdeguddrvdehtdenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepihhnvghtpeduleegrddvheegrddvgedurddvhedtpdhhvghlohepledtrdduudekrddvgeehrddugeejpdhmrghilhhfrhhomhepffgrmhhivghnucfotefvvffgkfcuoegurghmihgvnhdrmhgrthhtvghisehotggrrdgvuheqpdhrtghpthhtohepkhgrfigrsehsohhurhgtvgifrghrvgdrohhrgh Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20, KAM_DMARC_STATUS, NICE_REPLY_A, RCVD_HELO_IP_MISMATCH, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS, TXREP autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: kawa@sourceware.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Kawa mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2020 18:27:18 -0000 i appreciate Kawa a lot and i'm interested too in contributing. Damien Le 12/11/2020 =C3=A0 06:39, Jamison Hope a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0: > Count me in, too. > > -J > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 5:04 PM Duncan Mak via Kawa > wrote: > >> I'm definitely interested in contributing where I can! >> >> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 12:13 PM Per Bothner wrote: >> >>> As you have probably noticed, there has been less Kawa development th= e >> last >>> few years, and I have been less active. I make sure it will work wit= h >>> newer Java release, fix occasional bugs, and make minor improvements, >>> but it's been a while since I've added a new non-trivial feature or A= PI. >>> Most of my "hacking time" these days is spent on DomTerm ( >>> https://domterm.org). >>> I'm also less involved with the Scheme community, and I've expressed >>> dissatisfaction with how SRFI and R7RS-large is evolving, with >>> too many large large APIs that I fear will see little use. >>> >>> I am happy to continue in this "maintenance mode" as long as needed, >>> but fresh blood would be welcome. So far Kawa has is mostly the resu= lt >>> of my vision, opinions, and prejudices, which I think has resulted in >>> a coherent, efficient, and powerful language - but it is limited what >>> I can understand and implement. It is great what others have contrib= uted >>> to Kawa, but we need to encourage and enable more contributions I ha= ve >>> not been as open as I should have to other ideas and impulses, wantin= g >>> to full understand and implement the "right" solution, even when I ha= ve >>> lacked time, knowledge, and energy to do so. >>> >>> Not sure where to go next. It would be good to have a small group >>> who can check in updates and make releases without me. Right now the >>> Kawa "bus factor" is basically one, which is not a good situation. >>> I can see my role becoming a Benevolent Dictator For Life (like van >>> Rossum's role in Python), but ideally getting less dictatorial as oth= ers >>> gain experience. >>> >>> One task that could help and that does not require comprehensive >>> understanding >>> of the code is Release Manager(s). Not that it takes a lot of time a= nd >>> effort >>> to make a release (especially since I don't do it very often), but it= is >>> one >>> of multiple tasks that should not depend on me being able to do it. >>> >>> Next year Kawa will be 25 years old. It is the oldest >> continuously-active >>> compiler-based non-Java language on the JVM, which is quite an >> achievement. >>> But I am not getting any younger, and it needs fresh blood and energy= . >>> >>> Thoughts? Volunteers? >>> -- >>> --Per Bothner >>> per@bothner.com http://per.bothner.com/ >>> >> >> -- >> Duncan. >>