From: Dominique Boucher <dominique.boucher@nuecho.com>
To: Per Bothner <per@bothner.com>
Cc: "Rafik Naccache [TNTeam]" <rafik@tnteam.rocks>, kawa@sourceware.org
Subject: Re: What is the Development Environment of Choice for Kawa?
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2016 19:59:00 -0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <456652732.135358.1455825562148.JavaMail.zimbra@nuecho.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <56C61423.4070801@bothner.com>
Hello,
I'm the author of SchemeScript. Per is right. It's not actively maintained, although it's still occasionally used here at Nu Echo. The embedded Kawa is a pretty old version (7 years old!). If there is enough interest, I
could try to upgrade it. But I'm sure there will be some syntactic/lexical elements of Kawa that will not be supported. And I can't commit to fixing those in the very short term.
Dominique Boucher
----- Original Message -----
From: "Per Bothner" <per@bothner.com>
To: "Rafik Naccache [TNTeam]" <rafik@tnteam.rocks>, kawa@sourceware.org
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 1:57:39 PM
Subject: Re: What is the Development Environment of Choice for Kawa?
On 02/18/2016 08:18 AM, Rafik Naccache [TNTeam] wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Coming from Clojure Land, I am experimenting with various scheme implementations, guile, chicken, racket,...
>
> As I am experimenting Kawa, I was surprised to see how this scheme can actually beat Clojure in terms of speed and elegance, and want to use it in a serious hobby project in which I have to interact with a great share of imperative Java, a setup that would make Clojure suffer...
>
> But then, I can't find what tool is commonly used by the community to develop Kawa: is it emacs with comint? is it slime with the little swank glue-code? maybe something else?
Tooling is Kawa's weak spot - though its compile-time warnings and errors
are better than most "dynamic languages" IMO.
I'm pretty old-school, so I mostly use Emacs (mainly just editing), the REPL,
and print statements. (Very rarely I might use jdb to track down an infinite loop.)
OTOH I write more Java (and lately JavaScript) than I write Scheme ...
A related weakness is connected to Kawa's strength: Kawa does a fair amount of
compile-time optimization and inlining. This causes problems in interactive
development: you load a function or module, and then edit it and reload it.
Other functions that depend on the change code may no longer work. A partial
work-around is to use the --no-inline command-line option. I do have plans
to improve the situation, though a combination of extra indirection and
automatic re-compilation of dependencies.
There are various Emacs packages and/or IDE plugins that can be used.
There is this plugin for Eclipse: https://github.com/schemeway/SchemeScript
However, I don't think it's actively maintained, though the git repo has
seen a few semi-recent updates. I haven't tried it recently - a status report
would be interesting.
There are also various Emacs packages that can be used, though I don't have
much experience with them.
I have been working recently on improving the Kawa repl, both using DomTerm
and using jline2/jline3. I have some not-quite-working code - and plenty of ideas :-)
--
--Per Bothner
per@bothner.com http://per.bothner.com/
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-02-18 19:59 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-02-18 16:18 Rafik
2016-02-18 18:57 ` Per Bothner
2016-02-18 19:39 ` mikel evins
2016-02-18 19:59 ` Dominique Boucher [this message]
2016-02-18 18:53 F. Rafael Leon
[not found] <3go6arm3yvsi6iuungnfyd1o.1455824305674@email.android.com>
2016-02-18 21:18 ` RE : " Per Bothner
2016-02-18 21:22 ` mikel evins
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