* Re: irc
@ 2015-09-18 21:14 Felipe Bueno
2015-09-18 21:23 ` irc Per Bothner
0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: Felipe Bueno @ 2015-09-18 21:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: kawa@sourceware.org list
"I'm willing to experiment with IRC again. I try it out every 6 years or
so and last about 3 days before giving up again"
:)
This pretty much sums up my experience with IRC for the last 10 years
or so... the only difference is that "I try it out every 2 years or so
and last about 1 or 2 days before giving up" heheh. But I really try
very hard to like it and to use it... it's such an useful and fun
tool. I don't know exactly why I give up.
Btw I am on #kawa right now and there's only one more person there
(mario-goulart) but I don't think he is reading the messages.
Felipe Bueno - https://www.keybase.io/felipebueno
2015-09-18 16:44 GMT-03:00 Jamison Hope <jrh@theptrgroup.com>:
>
> On Sep 17, 2015, at 3:42 PM, Per Bothner <per@bothner.com> wrote:
>
> > On 09/17/2015 12:30 PM, David Pirotte wrote:
> >> Hello,
> >> Per,
> >>
> >> Are you not hanging around the #kawa freenode irc channel? just connected and there
> >> is 1 user only, who's not you :), and no other kawa users?
> >
> > I didn't set to the Kawa irc channel, and I never got in the habit of using
> > irc, skype, or similar. (At one workplace we used text skype, so I would sometimes
> > have that up.)
>
> Same here. We have a Jabber server at work, but I almost never remember
> to sign on.
>
> >>
> >> I find it quite nice to interact in real time, it makes things more friendly and for
> >> quick quizz, wel, so much quicker! :) wdyt?
> >
> > No objection in principle, if people were using it. I do tend to get distracted
> > too easily (ooo - and intersting arcile on the web - must read it now), and
> > it's plausible irc might make that worse ... But as long as it's not too busy
> > I guess it wouldn't be too bad and if it gets too busy, that would be a nice problem
> > to have!
>
> I'm willing to experiment with IRC again. I try it out every 6 years or
> so and last about 3 days before giving up again, mostly because I
> haven't thought of anything to say.
>
> Who originally set up #kawa? ChanServ says it was registered in 2008.
>
> --
> Jamison Hope
> The PTR Group
> www.theptrgroup.com
>
>
>
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* Re: irc 2015-09-18 21:14 irc Felipe Bueno @ 2015-09-18 21:23 ` Per Bothner 2015-09-18 22:41 ` irc David Pirotte 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Per Bothner @ 2015-09-18 21:23 UTC (permalink / raw) To: kawa On 09/18/2015 02:13 PM, Felipe Bueno wrote: > Btw I am on #kawa right now and there's only one more person there > (mario-goulart) but I don't think he is reading the messages. Well, I'm on right now. So if anyone wants to chat ... I'll try to keep a window up for at least a few days, to see how it goes. -- --Per Bothner per@bothner.com http://per.bothner.com/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: irc 2015-09-18 21:23 ` irc Per Bothner @ 2015-09-18 22:41 ` David Pirotte 2015-09-18 22:56 ` irc Per Bothner 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: David Pirotte @ 2015-09-18 22:41 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Per Bothner; +Cc: kawa [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2556 bytes --] Hello! > Well, I'm on right now. So if anyone wants to chat ... > I'll try to keep a window up for at least a few days, to see how it goes. Nice you gave it a new try: stay there for a while and let's invite kawa developers, maintainers, advanced and not so advanced users, it really is a fantastic tool to not only to learn but it gives 'incentives', imo The absolute first thing I do, before reading email, and sometimes even before to have a coffee is logging to #scheme, #guile, #guix, #clutter, [#clojure, #emacs to a lesser extend, as needed] and now added #kawa, and always read the logs, first thing in the morning [BRT, so big 'jet lag' with europe... #guile and #guix are logged [gnunet]: https://gnunet.org/bot/log/guile https://gnunet.org/bot/log/guix I never learned as much as by reading the logs and interacting with others on #guile and #guix good to mention that with experience, you also learn how to select what interest you to read/answer, not paying attention to what's not important to you ... I use emacs ERC mode, but for people not using emacs, xchat is a cool tool... and probably tons of others... but I use emacs Per, Cool you try again! It is important developers, maintainers, advanced kawa users to hang around and answer, when they can, if they are interested, ... the idea is it should not take much time, it should not be a 'distraction', but a tool to encourage each other, quickly solve [small] problems, post links ... and if the quizz is too 'big' [requires to much time to answer on irc, then we suggest the quizer to post a mail to the ML ... I did not even try kawa yet, not a single line :) because I wanted to check #kawa first, if their would be people there, willing to answer and get newbie up and running ... if no #kawa, for me it is almost a dead end [I mean not sure I can maintain interest, don't know yet, lt's see] I'm a 'good' schemer by the way, or I should say good guiler, but close to zero java, and pretending to remain a zero java guy :) this said, I have to use/program imagej for 1 of my customers, and till now I use clojure [because #clojure is extremely active, and irc wise, people helped me there like crazy, thanks all of them of course] ... but, I don't like clojure :) so, i want to try kawa, with some help I should, if i'm not mistaken, 'import' any java, any jar, and play the same way, I mean in better ways even, then what i can do using clojure, is this reasonable assumption? Cheers, David [-- Attachment #2: OpenPGP digital signature --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 473 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: irc 2015-09-18 22:41 ` irc David Pirotte @ 2015-09-18 22:56 ` Per Bothner 2015-09-18 23:51 ` irc David Pirotte 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Per Bothner @ 2015-09-18 22:56 UTC (permalink / raw) To: David Pirotte; +Cc: kawa On 09/18/2015 03:41 PM, David Pirotte wrote: > so, i want to try kawa, with some help I should, if i'm not mistaken, 'import' any > java, any jar, and play the same way, I mean in better ways even, then what i can do > using clojure, is this reasonable assumption? I've been told that Kawa has better Java integration than Clojure. Kawa makes it easy to extend Java classes, use annotations, parameterized types (to an extent). If you define-simple-class you get a very straight-forward mapping to a Java class. The colon syntax OBJ:PROPERTY first looks for a field PROPERTY in OBJ; and then it automatically look for a getPROPERTY method. Etc etc. A big potential advantage is that with Kawa you just need the kawa.jar. You don't need to install and learn a new tool philosopy (i.e. leiningen) - which causes extra startup slow-down. Kawa starts up really fast. https://www.reddit.com/r/lisp/comments/2df2rm/should_my_startup_attempt_to_use_abcl_in_a/ BTW I do recommend building Kawa from Subversion; the "released" jar is a bit old. I'd like to make a new official release, but I'm in the middle of various changes. -- --Per Bothner per@bothner.com http://per.bothner.com/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: irc 2015-09-18 22:56 ` irc Per Bothner @ 2015-09-18 23:51 ` David Pirotte 2015-09-19 0:15 ` irc Per Bothner 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: David Pirotte @ 2015-09-18 23:51 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Per Bothner; +Cc: kawa [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1637 bytes --] > > so, i want to try kawa, with some help I should, if i'm not mistaken, 'import' > > any java, any jar, and play the same way, I mean in better ways even, then what > > i can do using clojure, is this reasonable assumption? > > I've been told that Kawa has better Java integration than Clojure. > Kawa makes it easy to extend Java classes, use annotations, parameterized types > (to an extent). If you define-simple-class you get a very straight-forward mapping > to a Java class. The colon syntax OBJ:PROPERTY first looks for a field PROPERTY in > OBJ; and then it automatically look for a getPROPERTY method. Etc etc. great! now i need to read a tutorial on how to ... like i wrote in my last imagej/clojure email, as an example of a starting point... > A big potential advantage is that with Kawa you just need the kawa.jar. You don't > need to install and learn a new tool philosopy (i.e. leiningen) - which causes > extra startup slow-down. Kawa starts up really fast. That really totally got me off clojure! exactly, exactly what we don't want to do: learning another extra 'tool', I totally agree with you and these folks on redit! We want emacs, scheme, the autotool chain and git [bash, but these days i write my scripts in scheme as well]. > https://www.reddit.com/r/lisp/comments/2df2rm/should_my_startup_attempt_to_use_abcl_in_a/ > BTW I do recommend building Kawa from Subversion; the "released" jar is a bit old. > I'd like to make a new official release, but I'm in the middle of various changes. Any git somewhere? I'm a good git user, no svn experience Cheers, David [-- Attachment #2: OpenPGP digital signature --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 473 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: irc 2015-09-18 23:51 ` irc David Pirotte @ 2015-09-19 0:15 ` Per Bothner 2015-09-19 5:02 ` irc Matthieu Vachon 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Per Bothner @ 2015-09-19 0:15 UTC (permalink / raw) To: David Pirotte; +Cc: kawa On 09/18/2015 04:50 PM, David Pirotte wrote: >> BTW I do recommend building Kawa from Subversion; the "released" jar is a bit old. >> I'd like to make a new official release, but I'm in the middle of various changes. > > Any git somewhere? I'm a good git user, no svn experience Read-only use of Svn is pretty trivial. As described here: http://www.gnu.org/software/kawa/Getting-Kawa.html you just need to: svn -q checkout svn://sourceware.org/svn/kawa/trunk kawa To pull the latest, just do 'svn update' in the kawa directory. Michel Vachon has a git clone here: https://github.com/maoueh/kawa-fork The plan is to migrate to git, hosted on savannah.gnu.org. I haven't decided when. One question is to do the migration in conjunction with a release, or only do the git swicj-over and just update the Gett-Kawa.html web page. -- --Per Bothner per@bothner.com http://per.bothner.com/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: irc 2015-09-19 0:15 ` irc Per Bothner @ 2015-09-19 5:02 ` Matthieu Vachon 2015-09-19 7:42 ` irc Per Bothner 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Matthieu Vachon @ 2015-09-19 5:02 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: kawa Ah ah first time I'm renamed as a Michel :D It's Matthieu but no offense taken, just funny lol. As for the git mirror, it's an almost up-to-date mirror (currently sync up to revision 8596, current svn trunk revision is 8599). This is unfortunately not an automatic operation but bumping it to the latest revision is pretty easy. Will update it from time to time. Regards, Michel (lol joking, it's Matt, sorry couldn't resist :)) On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 8:15 PM Per Bothner <per@bothner.com> wrote: > > > > On 09/18/2015 04:50 PM, David Pirotte wrote: > >> BTW I do recommend building Kawa from Subversion; the "released" jar is a bit old. > >> I'd like to make a new official release, but I'm in the middle of various changes. > > > > Any git somewhere? I'm a good git user, no svn experience > > Read-only use of Svn is pretty trivial. As described here: > > http://www.gnu.org/software/kawa/Getting-Kawa.html > > you just need to: > > svn -q checkout svn://sourceware.org/svn/kawa/trunk kawa > > To pull the latest, just do 'svn update' in the kawa directory. > > Michel Vachon has a git clone here: > https://github.com/maoueh/kawa-fork > > The plan is to migrate to git, hosted on savannah.gnu.org. > I haven't decided when. One question is to do the > migration in conjunction with a release, or only do the > git swicj-over and just update the Gett-Kawa.html web page. > -- > --Per Bothner > per@bothner.com http://per.bothner.com/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: irc 2015-09-19 5:02 ` irc Matthieu Vachon @ 2015-09-19 7:42 ` Per Bothner 0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Per Bothner @ 2015-09-19 7:42 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Matthieu Vachon; +Cc: kawa On 09/18/2015 10:01 PM, Matthieu Vachon wrote: > Ah ah first time I'm renamed as a Michel :D It's Matthieu but no > offense taken, just funny lol. My apologies. I've been working with a mikel [evins] for my JavaOne presentation, so maybe that is why I screwed up your name. -- --Per Bothner per@bothner.com http://per.bothner.com/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* irc @ 2015-09-17 19:30 David Pirotte 2015-09-17 19:42 ` irc Per Bothner 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: David Pirotte @ 2015-09-17 19:30 UTC (permalink / raw) To: kawa [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 314 bytes --] Hello, Per, Are you not hanging around the #kawa freenode irc channel? just connected and there is 1 user only, who's not you :), and no other kawa users? I find it quite nice to interact in real time, it makes things more friendly and for quick quizz, wel, so much quicker! :) wdyt? Cheers, David [-- Attachment #2: OpenPGP digital signature --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 473 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: irc 2015-09-17 19:30 irc David Pirotte @ 2015-09-17 19:42 ` Per Bothner 2015-09-18 19:44 ` irc Jamison Hope 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Per Bothner @ 2015-09-17 19:42 UTC (permalink / raw) To: David Pirotte, kawa On 09/17/2015 12:30 PM, David Pirotte wrote: > Hello, > Per, > > Are you not hanging around the #kawa freenode irc channel? just connected and there > is 1 user only, who's not you :), and no other kawa users? I didn't set to the Kawa irc channel, and I never got in the habit of using irc, skype, or similar. (At one workplace we used text skype, so I would sometimes have that up.) > > I find it quite nice to interact in real time, it makes things more friendly and for > quick quizz, wel, so much quicker! :) wdyt? No objection in principle, if people were using it. I do tend to get distracted too easily (ooo - and intersting arcile on the web - must read it now), and it's plausible irc might make that worse ... But as long as it's not too busy I guess it wouldn't be too bad and if it gets too busy, that would be a nice problem to have! -- --Per Bothner per@bothner.com http://per.bothner.com/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: irc 2015-09-17 19:42 ` irc Per Bothner @ 2015-09-18 19:44 ` Jamison Hope 2015-09-19 2:42 ` irc Damien MATTEI 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Jamison Hope @ 2015-09-18 19:44 UTC (permalink / raw) To: kawa@sourceware.org list On Sep 17, 2015, at 3:42 PM, Per Bothner <per@bothner.com> wrote: > On 09/17/2015 12:30 PM, David Pirotte wrote: >> Hello, >> Per, >> >> Are you not hanging around the #kawa freenode irc channel? just connected and there >> is 1 user only, who's not you :), and no other kawa users? > > I didn't set to the Kawa irc channel, and I never got in the habit of using > irc, skype, or similar. (At one workplace we used text skype, so I would sometimes > have that up.) Same here. We have a Jabber server at work, but I almost never remember to sign on. >> >> I find it quite nice to interact in real time, it makes things more friendly and for >> quick quizz, wel, so much quicker! :) wdyt? > > No objection in principle, if people were using it. I do tend to get distracted > too easily (ooo - and intersting arcile on the web - must read it now), and > it's plausible irc might make that worse ... But as long as it's not too busy > I guess it wouldn't be too bad and if it gets too busy, that would be a nice problem > to have! I'm willing to experiment with IRC again. I try it out every 6 years or so and last about 3 days before giving up again, mostly because I haven't thought of anything to say. Who originally set up #kawa? ChanServ says it was registered in 2008. -- Jamison Hope The PTR Group www.theptrgroup.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: irc 2015-09-18 19:44 ` irc Jamison Hope @ 2015-09-19 2:42 ` Damien MATTEI 0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Damien MATTEI @ 2015-09-19 2:42 UTC (permalink / raw) To: kawa i will go to #kawa sometimes, remember me the '90 and the beginning of public internet... Le 18/09/2015 21:44, Jamison Hope a écrit : > On Sep 17, 2015, at 3:42 PM, Per Bothner <per@bothner.com> wrote: > >> On 09/17/2015 12:30 PM, David Pirotte wrote: >>> Hello, >>> Per, >>> >>> Are you not hanging around the #kawa freenode irc channel? just connected and there >>> is 1 user only, who's not you :), and no other kawa users? >> I didn't set to the Kawa irc channel, and I never got in the habit of using >> irc, skype, or similar. (At one workplace we used text skype, so I would sometimes >> have that up.) > Same here. We have a Jabber server at work, but I almost never remember > to sign on. > >>> I find it quite nice to interact in real time, it makes things more friendly and for >>> quick quizz, wel, so much quicker! :) wdyt? >> No objection in principle, if people were using it. I do tend to get distracted >> too easily (ooo - and intersting arcile on the web - must read it now), and >> it's plausible irc might make that worse ... But as long as it's not too busy >> I guess it wouldn't be too bad and if it gets too busy, that would be a nice problem >> to have! > I'm willing to experiment with IRC again. I try it out every 6 years or > so and last about 3 days before giving up again, mostly because I > haven't thought of anything to say. > > Who originally set up #kawa? ChanServ says it was registered in 2008. > > -- > Jamison Hope > The PTR Group > www.theptrgroup.com > > > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
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