From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19796 invoked by alias); 13 Nov 2016 23:37:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact kawa-help@sourceware.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: kawa-owner@sourceware.org Received: (qmail 19772 invoked by uid 89); 13 Nov 2016 23:37:38 -0000 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; auth=none X-Virus-Found: No X-Spam-SWARE-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 spammy=lawyer, javascript, Hx-languages-length:2435, competition X-HELO: aibo.runbox.com Received: from aibo.runbox.com (HELO aibo.runbox.com) (91.220.196.211) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.93/v0.84-503-g423c35a) with ESMTP; Sun, 13 Nov 2016 23:37:26 +0000 Received: from [10.9.9.212] (helo=mailfront12.runbox.com) by bars.runbox.com with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1c64Ky-0005IG-7g for kawa@sourceware.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 00:37:24 +0100 Received: from 70-36-239-8.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com ([70.36.239.8] helo=toshie.bothner.com) by mailfront12.runbox.com with esmtpsa (uid:757155 ) (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) id 1c64Kx-0001Qt-03 for kawa@sourceware.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 00:37:23 +0100 Subject: Re: proposal: move Kawa from Subversion to git on gitlab.com To: kawa@sourceware.org References: <87fe287f-2aa8-3462-ceeb-66e3982ddaeb@bothner.com> From: Per Bothner Message-ID: <84b435cc-aea3-4468-0fb3-b9df17d5978b@bothner.com> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 23:37:00 -0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-IsSubscribed: yes X-SW-Source: 2016-q4/txt/msg00065.txt.bz2 On 11/13/2016 02:55 PM, Charlie Turner wrote: > On 13 November 2016 at 00:58, Per Bothner wrote: >> * GitHub - not as Free Software-friendly; FSF disapproved. > > Out of interest, what happens to Kawa's relationship with the FSF if > it were to pick GitHub, would you have to stop calling it free > software? No, definitely not. The most they could say it we could no longer call it *GNU* software. However, I don't think that much on an issue. I view their "report card" as more of recommendation, and a spur to providers to improve. > The reasons given for why it's disapproved appear to be, > > 1) The GitHub website uses JavaScript that doesn't work in LibreJS, or > that's it minified in some way to be considered "object code" by the > FSF. > > 2) GitHub "might use some export control law" to block your repo. > > Regarding point 1), you don't need to use the GitHub website to > contribute code, so that avoids you being subject to javascript you > don't trust. You don't need to use the GitHub website to read code, or > modify code. Well, we don't want to pick a site that we recommend people not use ... (Not that I'd go as far.) > Regarding point 2), the github docs say "...[github.com] does not > currently offer the ability to restrict repository access by country." > you need to go "enterprise" for that ability, so that doesn't seem > applicable to Kawa's situation either. I'm confused about the FSF's complaint here. The summary links to a page that states that export controls exists and that GitHub does not see it as their job to enforce them. I don't see anything wrong about that. > TL;DR, I think GitHub is great, and it would be shame if we couldn't > use it for the reasons above, or if I'm missing something. I'm not a > lawyer :) I agree FSF's points are weak, and if there were a strong reason to prefer GitHub I wouldn't worry too much. But there is something to be said for picking the number 2 "we try harder" choice, if nothing else than to encourage competition. GitLab does seem to be a bit more responsive in general, and to the FSF's concern in particular. Plus it appears their continuous integration story is better. Of the various GitHub vs GitLab comparisons I've seen, they both have weak and strong points, but both are very similar featurewise. -- --Per Bothner per@bothner.com http://per.bothner.com/