From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28866 invoked by alias); 11 Jun 2014 12:23:15 -0000 Mailing-List: contact kawa-help@sourceware.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: kawa-owner@sourceware.org Received: (qmail 28785 invoked by uid 89); 11 Jun 2014 12:23:14 -0000 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; auth=none X-Virus-Found: No X-Spam-SWARE-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-HELO: mail-wi0-f182.google.com Received: from mail-wi0-f182.google.com (HELO mail-wi0-f182.google.com) (209.85.212.182) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.93/v0.84-503-g423c35a) with (AES128-SHA encrypted) ESMTPS; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 12:23:13 +0000 Received: by mail-wi0-f182.google.com with SMTP id bs8so969006wib.9 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 05:23:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.74.131 with SMTP id t3mr38942018wiv.23.1402489387848; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 05:23:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.115.81 with HTTP; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 05:23:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <53978314.7050702@bothner.com> References: <53937097.9070903@bothner.com> <53978314.7050702@bothner.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 12:23:00 -0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Kawa paid support From: Matthieu Vachon To: Per Bothner Cc: Kawa mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-IsSubscribed: yes X-SW-Source: 2014-q2/txt/msg00076.txt.bz2 On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 6:13 PM, Per Bothner wrote: > On 06/08/2014 07:37 PM, Matthieu Vachon wrote: > > I haven't looked seriously into crowd-funding Kawa. Kawa already has > the problem is poor visibility, and tackling that is something I hope > you all help with. > Visibility and current user-base is an issue that could be tackled from various fronts. A crowd-funding campaign could be a part in a more global funding effort that would contain for example crowd-funding (maybe backed by new features), Kawa paid-support, sponsored development, user donations. In the hope that even if each sources is not that high, globally, it will be enough to make Kawa your "day-job". > I have limited time and energy, and trying to start > a crowd-funding campaign may require more that it is worth. I will > be writing more articles on various sites now that Kawa is my "day job". > Great news, let's hope it brings water to mill and we bring more people in. > I wouldn't object to donations, but there are set-up issues, tax issues, > book-keeping issues. It seems unlikely donations would bring in > enough to make a difference.Plus I'm not very comfortable with begging ... > I understand potential issues and they are probably a show-stopper in some forms. I can also fully understand that you are not comfortable in asking for donation and I think it's normal. As a developer, I'm always proud in paying my part and helping other developers, especially when it comes to tools that I use so often. If Kawa would have been a non-free application, I would have been happy to contribute to its financial support. This is not the case, and I hope it will never be. Hence, don't be ashamed asking for donation. In my opinion, it's almost the single mean for which a particular like me can support financially some project I love. I did it for Eclipse more than once. I'm sure I'm not alone feeling like this on this list, at least I hope :) > If not like I'm a "starving hacking" (to use LWN's terminology for > subscription levels): I have a nice house, in the SF Bay Area, > and it's paid for. However, I do have big expenses coming up, and > I expect to be eating into my savings unless I can monetize Kawa better. > I wouldn't expect the contrary. But it's not because your are not "starving hacking" that's a reason not to help you financially. You could have been extra-rich that It wouldn't make a difference in my case. For me, it's more about rewarding all the time and effort you put into Kawa. You have always been responsive, helpful and fast in fixing bugs. I'm always impress by this. I read that almost 50% of all open-source projects are left unmaintained after a year, it's clearly not Kawa's case. Kawa has still many aspects in which improvements can be made. I just wish you will be around for the future of it. And if I can help in realizing this wish, I will, either financially, programmatically or by advocating it. Regards, Matt