From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28751 invoked by alias); 14 May 2014 20:06:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact kawa-help@sourceware.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: kawa-owner@sourceware.org Received: (qmail 28731 invoked by uid 89); 14 May 2014 20:06:10 -0000 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; auth=none X-Virus-Found: No X-Spam-SWARE-Status: No, score=-1.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_40,FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-HELO: mail-wi0-f181.google.com Received: from mail-wi0-f181.google.com (HELO mail-wi0-f181.google.com) (209.85.212.181) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.93/v0.84-503-g423c35a) with (AES128-SHA encrypted) ESMTPS; Wed, 14 May 2014 20:06:09 +0000 Received: by mail-wi0-f181.google.com with SMTP id n15so3054558wiw.2 for ; Wed, 14 May 2014 13:06:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.106.194 with SMTP id gw2mr5001862wib.47.1400097966271; Wed, 14 May 2014 13:06:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.197.72 with HTTP; Wed, 14 May 2014 13:06:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5373BCFE.9000701@bothner.com> References: <9F312D97-98C6-4F47-BDD9-B6CAF3868A28@me.com> <5371CFD0.7070708@bothner.com> <7D1A5D60-5997-4B7A-9176-8F6FA315F016@me.com> <54132084-D633-4AAA-B2A4-9008FF37F779@me.com> <5372CA25.7050602@bothner.com> <5372E86B.9020600@bothner.com> <61B59A7F-0868-48D1-9C18-DFDD6C09850E@me.com> <53730D3A.4040904@bothner.com> <7F193E7B-AF6B-49B6-B8B6-58A8E686E301@me.com> <5373BCFE.9000701@bothner.com> Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 20:06:00 -0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Kawa experience [was: the right way to compile and load modules] From: Charles Turner To: Per Bothner Cc: Kawa mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-IsSubscribed: yes X-SW-Source: 2014-q2/txt/msg00068.txt.bz2 On 14 May 2014 19:59, Per Bothner wrote: > I'll be writing an "intro to Kawa" article for LWN soon, > so it is useful to know what to emphasize. I'm very pleased to hear you'll be writing an article. I look forward to reading it! I gave a 30 minute talk recently about Kawa, its history, its design and demo'd some code. The majority of people were amazed they had never heard of this project before and seemed enthusiastic to at least play with it. A minority (~ 5 out of ~ 20 people) were of the "why are people still messing around with this Lisp bullshit?" persuasion; the ones you lose as soon as they see the parens. I didn't have slides or anything, it was informal get together. My limited experience of this sort of thing however is that people want to see what "real stuff" looks like in the language, they're not as interested in the implementation details and history of Lisp. They're dying to know what it buys them. I think the art of expository pieces is to provide instant gratification by example. Once people are interested, they'll look up the gory details for themselves. I'm very excited & interested to hear what people are doing with Kawa beyond just messing about, I think case studies from these groups are immensely valuable. Just my opinion of course, not an experienced speaker/teacher by any stretch of the imagination! Kind regards, Charles.