From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from gnu.wildebeest.org (gnu.wildebeest.org [45.83.234.184]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7A42C3858D33 for ; Sun, 1 May 2022 22:42:39 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.1 sourceware.org 7A42C3858D33 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=klomp.org Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=klomp.org Received: by gnu.wildebeest.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9A39030230A5; Mon, 2 May 2022 00:42:38 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 00:42:38 +0200 From: Mark Wielaard To: v Cc: Ben Woodard via Libabigail Subject: Re: Testing Setup - More Tests and Automation? Message-ID: <20220501224238.GD30898@gnu.wildebeest.org> References: <34E58964-E930-4DF9-87CD-18D4C63DBCEB@redhat.com> <20220430195507.GA11996@gnu.wildebeest.org> <20220430214839.GC11996@gnu.wildebeest.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, KAM_DMARC_STATUS, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS, TXREP, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: libabigail@sourceware.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list of the Libabigail project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 May 2022 22:42:40 -0000 Hi Vanessa, On Sat, Apr 30, 2022 at 04:38:52PM -0600, v via Libabigail wrote: > I appreciate you keeping your opinion about GitHub and dislike separate > from an overall evaluation of what is best for the project. There are > things that I don't like too, but I recognize the value for other > developers or (in this case) growing a community. I am aware of my biases and preferences, which might be different from other developers based on our experiences. And I certainly want to learn from other experiences. But I do believe software freedom comes first and there are real negatives to a community for relying on some proprietary centralized hosting facility. I am happy to learn and adopt free software replacements to get a similar experience though. I am a little disappointed you seem to brush away any concerns by saying github is currently really popular in some groups of developers. Just because something is popular doesn't mean it is good or appropriate in all circumstances. It would also be nice if you could at least acknowledge that there are (possibly better?) alternative forges which support "modern practices" that aren't proprietary. Or that you would at least be willing to look at them. They might not be exactly what you are personally accustomed to, but if you evaluate them honestly we can at least see whether we can adapt them. They are free software platforms after all, which we can improve together. Cheers, Mark