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From: Steven Munroe <munroesj@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Zack Weinberg <zackw@panix.com>
Cc: Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>,
	Rajalakshmi Srinivasaraghavan <raji@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	GNU C Library <libc-alpha@sourceware.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] powerpc: Use aligned stores in memset
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2017 13:57:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1505224647.12360.24.camel@oc7878010663> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKCAbMhj5TE4sy7nqKEYAR8yWfY7Dv5HyzTZHPQQH3RKDozeZg@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, 2017-09-12 at 08:18 -0400, Zack Weinberg wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 6:30 AM, Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com> wrote:
> >
> > I could not find the manual which has the requirement that the mem*
> > functions do not use unaligned accesses.  Unless they are worded in a
> > very peculiar way, right now, the GCC/glibc combination does not comply
> > with a requirement that memset & Co. can be used for device memory access.
> 
> mem* are required to behave as-if they access memory as an array of
> unsigned char.  Therefore it is valid to give them arbitrarily
> (un)aligned pointers.  The C abstract machine doesn't specifically
> contemplate the possibility of a CPU that can do unaligned word reads
> but maybe not to all memory addresses, but I would argue that if there
> is such a CPU, then mem* are obliged to cope with it.
> 
> > ...the current glibc
> > implementation accesses locations which are outside the specified object
> > boundaries.
> 
> I think that's technically a defect.  Nothing in the C standard
> licenses it to do that; we just get away with it because, on the
> implementations to date, it's not observable (unless you go past the
> end of a page, which you'll note there are a bunch of tests to ensure
> we don't do).  If an over-read by a single byte is observable, then
> mem* is not allowed to do that.
> 
Also a bit of over reaction.

As long a the library routine does no cause a visible artifact (segfault
or alignment check) aligned access before or after the requested start
address and length is an optimization.

For example accessing the source at offset 3 and length 10 with an
aligned quadword load is Ok as long I clear the leading and trailing
bytes.

But attempting to store 7 bytes within a quadword by merging bytes in a
register and storing the whole quadword would violate single copy
atomicity and is not allowed.

> zw
> 


  reply	other threads:[~2017-09-12 13:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-08-18  5:13 Rajalakshmi Srinivasaraghavan
2017-08-18  6:21 ` Florian Weimer
2017-08-18  6:51   ` Rajalakshmi Srinivasaraghavan
2017-08-18  9:10     ` Florian Weimer
2017-08-18 12:13       ` Adhemerval Zanella
2017-09-12 10:30       ` Florian Weimer
2017-09-12 12:18         ` Zack Weinberg
2017-09-12 13:57           ` Steven Munroe [this message]
2017-09-12 14:37           ` Joseph Myers
2017-09-12 15:06             ` Zack Weinberg
2017-09-12 17:09           ` Florian Weimer
2017-09-12 13:38         ` Steven Munroe
2017-09-12 14:08           ` Florian Weimer
2017-09-12 14:16             ` Steven Munroe
2017-09-12 17:04               ` Florian Weimer
2017-09-12 19:21                 ` Steven Munroe
2017-09-12 19:45                   ` Florian Weimer
2017-09-12 20:25                     ` Steven Munroe
2017-09-13 13:12         ` Tulio Magno Quites Machado Filho
2017-09-18 13:54           ` Florian Weimer
2017-10-03 18:29             ` Adhemerval Zanella
2017-10-05 12:13               ` Rajalakshmi Srinivasaraghavan
2017-11-08 18:52               ` Tulio Magno Quites Machado Filho
2017-12-08 19:52                 ` [PATCHv2] powerpc: POWER8 memcpy optimization for cached memory Tulio Magno Quites Machado Filho
2017-12-08 20:06                   ` Florian Weimer
2017-12-11 12:44                     ` Tulio Magno Quites Machado Filho
2017-12-11 20:09                       ` Adhemerval Zanella
2017-12-10  7:11                   ` Rajalakshmi Srinivasaraghavan
2017-12-11 19:48                     ` Tulio Magno Quites Machado Filho
2017-08-18  6:25 ` [PATCH] powerpc: Use aligned stores in memset Andrew Pinski
2017-08-21  2:20 ` Tulio Magno Quites Machado Filho

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