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From: Torvald Riegel <triegel@redhat.com>
To: rms@gnu.org
Cc: nenolod@dereferenced.org, aoliva@redhat.com, fw@deneb.enyo.de,
	 carlos@redhat.com, zackw@panix.com, libc-alpha@sourceware.org
Subject: Re: gag rule joke
Date: Wed, 09 May 2018 08:34:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1525854861.21101.20.camel@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1fGFrM-0006dS-Jb@fencepost.gnu.org>

On Tue, 2018-05-08 at 23:33 -0400, Richard Stallman wrote:
> [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider    ]]]
> [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,     ]]]
> [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]
> 
> When you summarize the discussion based on the substantial points, you
> filter out the verbal aggressions.  But there are plenty of them there
> in messages sent to me.

Where have there been "verbal aggressions" or "gross personal insults
and attacks" (quoting your earlier email) *on this list*?  Conversations
on this lists were the context for your earlier claims, so the
libc-alpha archive should be sufficient for you to refer to the
instances you thought were "verbal aggression".

I don't know what emails were sent off-list, in private to you, but it
obviously doesn't relate to your earlier claim that there would be
publicly visible verbal aggression that would scare of others from being
a part of the community.
And unless those emails have been from people deeply involved in the
glibc community, you can't blame the community for what people outside
of the community do.  People in the community also didn't tell others to
send you email or stuff like that, all they did was disagree with you,
and in a professional manner.

> Not everyone engaged in aggression, but it is an important part of the
> nature of this situation.

Please be specific.  What's the situation, what's the context?  In the
absence of examples of "verbal aggression" on this list, you can't be
talking about the "situation" in the meaning of the actual discussion
we're having on this list.
If the "situation" is your personal situation (eg, including mail sent
by others not in the glibc community), then I think you need to resolve
it in some other way; the glibc community didn't ask others outside of
the community to become engaged, so it seems unlikely it would have
success asking them to not be engaged.

FWIW, to everyone reading this: This is a glibc-community discussion.
Please do your best to focus on the glibc-related points, and keep it
civilized.



  reply	other threads:[~2018-05-09  8:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 268+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <orin883lcl.fsf@lxoliva.fsfla.org>
2018-05-01  3:03 ` [rain1@airmail.cc] Delete abortion joke Richard Stallman
2018-05-01 13:54   ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-02  0:30     ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-02  3:28       ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-02  6:37         ` Florian Weimer
2018-05-03  3:34           ` ISO standards Richard Stallman
2018-05-03  3:34           ` [rain1@airmail.cc] Delete abortion joke Richard Stallman
2018-05-02 19:08         ` Zack Weinberg
2018-05-03  0:28           ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-03  2:33             ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-03  6:08               ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-05 15:44                 ` Federico Leva (Nemo)
2018-05-04  4:22               ` [rain1@airmail.cc] " Richard Stallman
2018-05-07  1:48                 ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-03  2:49           ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-03  0:55         ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-05 11:45         ` @cartouche (was: [rain1@airmail.cc] Delete abortion joke) Dmitry V. Levin
2018-05-06  3:05           ` @cartouche Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-02  3:11     ` [rain1@airmail.cc] Delete abortion joke Richard Stallman
2018-05-02  6:26       ` Ondřej Bílka
2018-05-02  6:36         ` Rical Jasan
2018-05-02  7:00         ` Javier Serrano Polo
2018-05-02  7:16           ` Rical Jasan
2018-05-03  3:34           ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-03  3:34         ` [rain1@airmail.cc] " Richard Stallman
2018-05-01 14:18   ` Florian Weimer
2018-05-02  3:09     ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-03 10:48       ` Florian Weimer
2018-05-01 14:45   ` Zach van Rijn
2018-05-02  3:08     ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]   ` <2e49b0b7f6ba587e0a5d08e701212fd4@airmail.cc>
2018-05-01 14:53     ` rain1
2018-05-01 15:40   ` Rich Felker
2018-05-01 16:12   ` Zack Weinberg
2018-05-02  3:11     ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-02 19:03       ` Zack Weinberg
2018-05-04  4:18         ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-02 19:56       ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-04  4:20         ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-04  6:52           ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-04 10:02             ` Florian Weimer
2018-05-04 10:18               ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-07  2:01             ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-07  3:09               ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-07  9:29               ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-07 20:21               ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-07 20:42                 ` Federico Leva (Nemo)
2018-05-07 21:26                   ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-03  4:36       ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-03  7:01         ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-03 11:07           ` Adhemerval Zanella
2018-05-07 23:44             ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-05-08  1:00               ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-03 13:53           ` Jeff Law
2018-05-03 12:28         ` Florian Weimer
2018-05-03 20:58           ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-03 23:59             ` Zach van Rijn
2018-05-05  4:49               ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-04  1:09             ` Zack Weinberg
2018-05-05  4:18               ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-06 19:01                 ` Zack Weinberg
2018-05-06 19:17                   ` Zack Weinberg
2018-05-06 20:19                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-06 22:56                     ` Zack Weinberg
2018-05-07  0:07                       ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-07  0:50                         ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-07  1:07                           ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-07  2:03                             ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-07  4:41                               ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-07  6:13                                 ` DJ Delorie
2018-05-07 16:46                                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-07 18:30                                     ` DJ Delorie
2018-05-07 18:36                                       ` Florian Weimer
2018-05-07 18:41                                         ` Jeff Law
2018-05-07 19:00                                           ` Adhemerval Zanella
2018-05-07 19:28                                             ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-07 22:09                                       ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-07 20:48                                     ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-08  4:45                                       ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-08  8:27                                         ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-08 12:08                                         ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-08 10:06                                       ` Andreas Schwab
2018-05-08 10:36                                         ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-08 11:36                                           ` Andreas Schwab
2018-05-08 12:03                                             ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-08 12:09                                               ` Andreas Schwab
2018-05-08 13:08                                                 ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-08 14:03                                                   ` Andreas Schwab
2018-05-08 14:17                                                     ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-08 14:26                                                       ` Andreas Schwab
2018-05-08 14:36                                                         ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-08 15:01                                                         ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-08 16:32                                                           ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-08 18:58                                                             ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-08 14:21                                                     ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-08 14:27                                                       ` Andreas Schwab
2018-05-08 14:36                                                         ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-08 12:18                                             ` commit reversion without review (was: [rain1@airmail.cc] Delete abortion joke) Dmitry V. Levin
2018-05-08 16:22                                               ` commit reversion without review Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-10  1:48                                                 ` Dmitry V. Levin
2018-05-10  5:21                                                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-10  5:53                                                     ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-08 12:32                                         ` [rain1@airmail.cc] Delete abortion joke Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-08 12:45                                           ` Andreas Schwab
2018-05-08 12:57                                             ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-08 14:37                                             ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-08 16:36                                           ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-08 19:08                                             ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-08 19:28                                               ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-08 20:21                                                 ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-09  2:26                                                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-09 10:32                                                     ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-08 21:47                                                 ` Maurizio Manfredini
2018-05-07 13:07                                 ` [PATCH] Revert Abortion joke removal Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-07 21:19                                   ` [PATCH] Revert Abort " Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-07 21:41                                     ` DJ Delorie
2018-05-08  0:05                                       ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-08  4:46                                       ` Javiera Serrano Polo
2018-05-07 22:09                                   ` [PATCH] Revert Abortion " Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-07 22:39                                     ` DJ Delorie
2018-05-07 23:45                                       ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-07 23:51                                         ` Jonathan Nieder
2018-05-08  0:46                                           ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-08  1:08                                           ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-08  5:04                                             ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-08 15:20                                               ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-08 16:25                                                 ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-08 17:51                                                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-08 17:54                                                     ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-08 18:25                                                       ` Zack Weinberg
2018-05-08 19:34                                                         ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-08 19:54                                                           ` Javiera Serrano Polo
2018-05-08 20:08                                                             ` Javiera Serrano Polo
2018-05-09  2:40                                                             ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-08 19:57                                                           ` Zack Weinberg
2018-05-09  1:16                                                             ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-10  3:52                                                               ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-10  4:41                                                                 ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-10  5:55                                                                   ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-10  6:49                                                                     ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-08 20:38                                                           ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-08 18:32                                                       ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-08 20:34                                                     ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-08 17:19                                                 ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-08 18:15                                                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-08 20:09                                                     ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-09  3:04                                                       ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-09 10:52                                                         ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-09 17:12                                                           ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-09  6:25                                                     ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-09 17:12                                                       ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-09 17:46                                                         ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-09 23:51                                                           ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-10  2:32                                                             ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-10  4:53                                                               ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-08 10:10                                           ` Andreas Schwab
2018-05-08 10:28                                             ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-08 16:28                                               ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-08 17:33                                                 ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-08 18:38                                                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-08 19:28                                                 ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-09 18:22                                                 ` Jeff Law
2018-05-10  6:13                                                   ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-10 11:06                                                   ` Chester Gregg
2018-05-08  8:13                                         ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-08  2:04                                     ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-08  5:12                                       ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-08  5:18                                         ` Matt Turner
2018-05-08 15:19                                           ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-08  8:44                                         ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-07  2:03                     ` [rain1@airmail.cc] Delete abortion joke Richard Stallman
2018-05-08 15:55                       ` Joseph Myers
2018-05-09 19:56                         ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-05-07  6:55                   ` Paul Eggert
2018-05-07 19:18                     ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-07 19:57                     ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-06  3:17               ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-06 18:00                 ` Zack Weinberg
2018-05-06 18:04                   ` Javiera Serrano Polo
2018-05-06 18:14                     ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-06 18:29                       ` Javiera Serrano Polo
2018-05-06 19:20                     ` Florian Weimer
2018-05-07  2:03                     ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-07 19:29                       ` Javiera Serrano Polo
2018-05-07 23:51                         ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-07 23:56                           ` Zach van Rijn
2018-05-08  0:11                           ` Lets add a joke to the manual Mark Wielaard
2018-05-08  1:28                             ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-08  1:41                               ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-08  5:13                                 ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-08  9:07                               ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-08  3:28                           ` Delete abortion joke Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-08  4:46                           ` Javiera Serrano Polo
2018-05-11 16:12                             ` [PATCH] manual: Improve quality of comic content in abort [BZ #23168] Javiera Serrano Polo
2018-05-11 17:20                               ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-11 17:46                                 ` Javiera Serrano Polo
2018-05-11 20:21                                   ` Javiera Serrano Polo
2018-05-11 21:46                                   ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]                       ` <1525713151.19750.28.camel@jasp.net>
2018-05-08  1:55                         ` Delete abortion joke Richard Stallman
2018-05-07  2:03                   ` [rain1@airmail.cc] " Richard Stallman
2018-05-07  2:22                     ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-07  2:04               ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-04  2:56             ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-04 16:32               ` Rich Felker
2018-05-04 16:40                 ` Javiera Serrano Polo
2018-05-05  4:07                 ` [rain1@airmail.cc] " Richard Stallman
2018-05-05  4:06               ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-05  7:40                 ` Javiera Serrano Polo
2018-05-05 12:19                 ` [rain1@airmail.cc] " Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-06  3:16                   ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-06  5:03                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-06  3:17               ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-07  7:45                 ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-08  1:53                   ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-07 20:56             ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-07 21:29               ` Federico Leva (Nemo)
2018-05-07 23:25               ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-08  9:26                 ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-08 16:17                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-08 17:40                     ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-08 18:55                       ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-09  5:51                         ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-09 17:12                           ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-09 17:50                             ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-09 23:09                               ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-10  0:28                                 ` DJ Delorie
2018-05-10  5:03                                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-10  2:57                                 ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-10 11:43                                 ` Chester Gregg
2018-05-08 20:41                     ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-09  2:38                       ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-09  9:28                         ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-09 17:12                           ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-07 22:08             ` William Pitcock
2018-05-08  1:56               ` gag rule joke Richard Stallman
2018-05-08  3:26                 ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-09  3:39                   ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-09  5:29                     ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-09  8:42                     ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-09  9:00                       ` Chester Gregg
2018-05-09 23:58                         ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-09 11:06                       ` Javiera Serrano Polo
2018-05-09 12:09                         ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-09 13:55                           ` Javiera Serrano Polo
2018-05-09 14:48                             ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-09 23:57                               ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-10 11:33                                 ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-11  2:34                                   ` Javiera Serrano Polo
2018-05-11  1:32                   ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-11  1:58                     ` Jonathan Nieder
2018-05-11  3:58                     ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-08  9:43                 ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-09  3:34                   ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-09  8:34                     ` Torvald Riegel [this message]
2018-05-09 10:59                       ` Javiera Serrano Polo
2018-05-09 12:05                         ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-09 12:34                         ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-04  4:20           ` [rain1@airmail.cc] Delete abortion joke Richard Stallman
2018-05-04  9:25             ` Florian Weimer
2018-05-05  4:05               ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-08 10:55         ` Christian Brauner
     [not found]   ` <CAAKybw_h991qCFcLo1orG41gUOq3K-nur4mpn0ZO0Q832OhsoQ@mail.gmail.com>
2018-05-01 15:52     ` Ryan S. Arnold
2018-05-02  3:07     ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-03 15:00   ` DJ Delorie
2018-05-03 17:05     ` Javier Serrano Polo
2018-05-05  4:02       ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-05  4:03     ` [rain1@airmail.cc] " Richard Stallman
2018-05-07 19:53       ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-07 21:32   ` William Pitcock

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