From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail.cs.ucla.edu (mail.cs.ucla.edu [131.179.128.66]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F0A3B385841B for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2023 19:59:12 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.2 sourceware.org F0A3B385841B Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=cs.ucla.edu Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=cs.ucla.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0BD53C011BD4; Thu, 31 Aug 2023 12:59:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id 8OqMPLKIal_g; Thu, 31 Aug 2023 12:59:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 974333C011BD5; Thu, 31 Aug 2023 12:59:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.10.3 mail.cs.ucla.edu 974333C011BD5 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cs.ucla.edu; s=9D0B346E-2AEB-11ED-9476-E14B719DCE6C; t=1693511951; bh=XnC8Ni8E17yp2E9Yjv5SnX8EWUR8775BPum3LeyfuTU=; h=Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:To:From; b=RFBjBr2epXf7MhwbKKr1bjNpoYOW/96IwTjNLHWIUtErx/fxwAYWgc2Vu3LZCreyH cBxhg3F2uXA5sVZ6vstBxNVZFaFMvwd33/KZSO4Wo7NjYAn1+pxSqebwWvvhO922aQ bS77mQvqH0SSnxgM8ah14GTfPcJ/++8u7R6n5Dq19jwFFjZ91axhevlmV3FO5mOEM5 oKGxxUwm6sBjIUjLRV/SlDsucHcEbxeqXR7hOSlxqpBn8Qnqyof9CHD6iAv8IditgZ +MPVpJhjF5FxFlEOdwN/xvqJ2uzlO62jLn9/dK0a8cuAzI74d7JgJNf5CN/+1hw9kj ZFUxcnqUXtqvQ== X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.cs.ucla.edu Received: from mail.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id Zo7V4S_vD7XR; Thu, 31 Aug 2023 12:59:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.9] (cpe-172-91-119-151.socal.res.rr.com [172.91.119.151]) by mail.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 553763C011BD4; Thu, 31 Aug 2023 12:59:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <15af1715-3530-7c29-7595-5abe48c18e8b@cs.ucla.edu> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2023 12:59:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.13.0 Content-Language: en-US To: Joseph Myers , Alexandre Oliva Cc: Carlos O'Donell , "Ryan S. Arnold" , Maxim Kuvyrkov , Jakub Jelinek , Andreas Schwab , libc-alpha References: From: Paul Eggert Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Subject: Re: [Action Required] glibc decision to use CTI services. In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,KAM_SHORT,NICE_REPLY_A,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,TXREP autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on server2.sourceware.org List-Id: On 2023-08-30 10:31, Joseph Myers wrote: > I believe the LF has already agreed to implement the hosting entirely with > free software. Where is this agreement written down? I didn't see it in the URLs mentioned at the start of this thread. Too often it is tempting to use non-free software in these enterprises, and we need to have an agreement and a commitment about an enforcement mechanism that detects and repairs things if somebody falls victim to this temptation (and of course that guides people away from succumbing to the temptation in the first place). This detection and enforcement mechanism has to be usable by glibc software contributors and maintainers, not just by the CTI providers. As I'm new to this (I just read yesterday that a decision is wanted by today) I'll vote NAY until I see something more binding about this important issue. > Naturally we should make sure that other requirements from > https://www.gnu.org/software/repo-criteria.en.html ... are met, though I don't expect problems there. Although I don't expect problems either, I'd like to see this written down as well.