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From: Christian Brauner <christian@brauner.io>
To: ebiederm@xmission.com,Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Cc: Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org>,Alistair Francis
	<alistair.francis@wdc.com>,GNU C Library
	<libc-alpha@sourceware.org>,Adhemerval Zanella
	<adhemerval.zanella@linaro.org>,Florian Weimer
	<fweimer@redhat.com>,Palmer Dabbelt
	<palmer@sifive.com>,macro@wdc.com,Zong Li
	<zongbox@gmail.com>,Alistair Francis
	<alistair23@gmail.com>,Andrew Morton
	<akpm@linux-foundation.org>,Linus Torvalds
	<torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,Al Viro
	<viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC v3 03/23] sysdeps/wait: Use waitid if avaliable
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 12:28:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <18B39FAC-E719-4845-B702-047E45F87C06@brauner.io> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87o91nbn37.fsf@xmission.com>

On July 21, 2019 2:15:24 PM GMT+02:00, ebiederm@xmission.com wrote:
>Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de> writes:
>
>> On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 6:03 AM Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org> wrote:
>>> On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 05:08:48PM -0700, Alistair Francis wrote:
>>> >  #ifdef __NR_waitpid
>>> >    return SYSCALL_CANCEL (waitpid, pid, stat_loc, options);
>>> > +#elif defined(__NR_waitid)
>>> > +  __pid_t ret;
>>> > +  idtype_t idtype = P_PID;
>>> > +  siginfo_t infop;
>>> > +
>>> > +  if (pid < -1) {
>>> > +    idtype = P_PGID;
>>> > +    pid *= -1;
>>> > +  } else if (pid == -1) {
>>> > +    idtype = P_ALL;
>>> > +  } else if (pid == 0) {
>>> > +    idtype = P_PGID;
>>> > +    pid = getpgrp();
>>> > +  }
>>> > +
>>> > +  options |= WEXITED;
>>> > +
>>> > +  ret = SYSCALL_CANCEL (waitid, idtype, pid, &infop, options,
>NULL);
>>>
>>> This emulation has a fundamental race condition. Between getpgrp and
>>> waitid, a signal handler may perform setpgrp, setsid, and/or fork in
>>> ways that cause the wrong pgid to be passed to the waitid syscall.
>>> There is no way around this because you cannot block signals for the
>>> interval, since signals must be able to interrupt the waitid
>syscall.
>>
>> Interesting, I don't think anyone ever considered this race, as
>waitid()
>> was clearly always /intended/ as a superset of wait(), waitpid(),
>wait3()
>> and wait4(), as Roland McGrath described in the initial creation
>> of the waitid() syscall, see
>>
>https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/200408152303.i7FN3Vc3021030@magilla.sf.frob.com/
>>
>
>It is definitley a problem as setpid and setpgrp and setsid are all
>required to be signal safe, and this waitpid emulation is clearly not.
>
>> I originally planned to have a new waitid_time64() syscall to replace
>> them in the y2038 series, but that got deferred, so at the moment
>> the older 32-bit architectures don't have any changes for wait*(),
>and
>> riscv32 just removed wait4() but kept waitid().
>>
>> It would be easy enough to restore wait4() for riscv32, or we could
>> decide to extend waitid() in a backward-compatible way to close
>> this race, e.g. by allowing P_PGID with pid=0 (this is currently
>> -EINVAL),  by adding a new P_SAME_PGID macro to cover that
>> case, or by creating a new waitid replacement that does other things
>> as well (nanosecond ru_*time, pidfd, ...).
>>
>> Adding a few more kernel developers that may have an opinion on this.
>
>In a different reply it was mentioned that wait4 has had an issue since
>2008, where it does not track changes in the current processes pgrp.
>
>I would like to get resolution on if that is a real problem for anyone
>or if it is a something theoretical found on code review, before we
>deal
>with this issue.  Because tracking pgrp changes will require a deeper
>code change.
>
>My gut feel says either fix waitid (with P_SAME_PGID) or clearly
>document
>why the kernel's waitid is not a replacement for wait4, and add wait4
>to
>riscv.
>
>Would adding wait4 to riscv allow us to get rid of the rusage parameter
>of the kernel's waitid?
>
>I don't oppose a new syscall to take advantage of pidfd but I don't
>think there is any need to tie the two fixes together so I would rather
>keep them separate.  Just so we don't rush through fixing one to deal
>with the other.
>
>Eric

Fwiw, I have a patchset for pidfd_wait ready.
But I strongly oppose mixing pids and pidfds.
That syscall will only handle pidfds.

Christian

  reply	other threads:[~2019-07-21 12:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 127+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-07-17  0:11 [RFC v3 00/23] RISC-V glibc port for the 32-bit Alistair Francis
2019-07-17  0:11 ` [RFC v3 02/23] sysdeps/gettimeofday: Use clock_gettime64 if avaliable Alistair Francis
2019-07-17  7:09   ` Florian Weimer
2019-07-20  3:21     ` Rich Felker
2019-07-25 20:54       ` Joseph Myers
2019-07-17 12:43   ` Lukasz Majewski
2019-07-17 12:48     ` Lukasz Majewski
2019-07-19 22:29     ` Alistair Francis
2019-07-17  0:11 ` [RFC v3 04/23] sysdeps/clock_gettime: " Alistair Francis
2019-07-17  5:39   ` Florian Weimer
2019-07-17  8:04     ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-07-17  8:44       ` Florian Weimer
2019-07-17  9:10         ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-07-17 15:16           ` Florian Weimer
2019-07-18  7:39             ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-07-18  8:19               ` Florian Weimer
2019-07-18  9:15                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-07-18 18:10                 ` Adhemerval Zanella
2019-07-19 21:06     ` Alistair Francis
2019-07-17  7:03   ` Andreas Schwab
2019-07-17 12:37   ` Lukasz Majewski
2019-07-17  0:11 ` [RFC v3 01/23] sysdeps/nanosleep: Use clock_nanosleep_time64 " Alistair Francis
2019-07-17  5:16   ` Florian Weimer
2019-07-19 17:29     ` Alistair Francis
2019-07-20 14:24       ` Stepan Golosunov
2019-07-22 21:17         ` Alistair Francis
2019-07-17  0:11 ` [RFC v3 08/23] RISC-V: define __NR_futex as __NR_futex_time64 for 32-bit Alistair Francis
2019-07-17  0:11 ` [RFC v3 03/23] sysdeps/wait: Use waitid if avaliable Alistair Francis
2019-07-17  5:31   ` Florian Weimer
2019-07-19 17:52     ` Alistair Francis
2019-07-22 15:58       ` Florian Weimer
2019-07-22 21:06         ` Alistair Francis
2019-07-21  4:03   ` Rich Felker
2019-07-21  4:20     ` Rich Felker
2019-07-21 11:59       ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-07-21 23:00         ` Rich Felker
2019-07-21  7:57     ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-07-21 12:15       ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-07-21 12:28         ` Christian Brauner [this message]
2019-07-21 14:31         ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-07-21 15:45           ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-07-21 17:06             ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-07-21 17:22             ` Linus Torvalds
2019-07-21 21:40               ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-07-21 23:24                 ` Rich Felker
2019-07-23  0:01                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-07-23  8:12                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-07-23  8:29                       ` Christian Brauner
2019-07-23  8:45                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-07-25  0:08                           ` Alistair Francis
2019-07-25  4:40                             ` Rich Felker
2019-07-25 13:23                               ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-07-25 16:06                                 ` Christian Brauner
2019-07-25 17:14                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-07-25 17:30                                   ` Christian Brauner
2019-08-13 22:25                                     ` Alistair Francis
2019-08-13 23:12                                       ` Rich Felker
2019-08-14  5:07                                         ` Christian Brauner
2019-08-14 11:40                                       ` [PATCH v1 0/1] waitid: process group enhancement christian.brauner
2019-08-14 11:40                                         ` [PATCH v1 1/1] waitid: Add support for waiting for the current process group christian.brauner
2019-08-14 12:29                                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-08-14 12:46                                             ` Christian Brauner
2019-08-14 12:50                                               ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-08-14 12:53                                                 ` Christian Brauner
2019-08-14 13:10                                       ` [PATCH v2 0/1] waitid: process group enhancement Christian Brauner
2019-08-14 13:10                                         ` [PATCH v2 1/1] waitid: Add support for waiting for the current process group Christian Brauner
2019-08-14 14:20                                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-08-14 14:35                                             ` Christian Brauner
2019-08-14 15:27                                               ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-08-14 15:30                                                 ` Christian Brauner
2019-08-14 15:46                                       ` [PATCH v3 0/1] waitid: process group enhancement Christian Brauner
2019-08-14 15:46                                         ` [PATCH v3 1/1] waitid: Add support for waiting for the current process group Christian Brauner
2019-08-14 16:09                                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-08-14 16:15                                             ` Christian Brauner
2019-08-14 16:34                                               ` Christian Brauner
2019-08-14 16:55                                                 ` Rich Felker
2019-08-14 17:02                                                   ` Christian Brauner
2019-08-14 17:06                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2019-08-14 18:00                                                     ` Rich Felker
2019-08-14 20:50                                             ` Christian Brauner
2019-08-14 15:58                                         ` [PATCH v3 0/1] waitid: process group enhancement Rich Felker
2019-08-14 16:13                                           ` Christian Brauner
2019-07-26 23:39                                   ` [RFC v3 03/23] sysdeps/wait: Use waitid if avaliable Alistair Francis
2019-07-17  0:12 ` [RFC v3 23/23] RISC-V: Use 64-bit vdso syscalls Alistair Francis
2019-07-17  5:33   ` Florian Weimer
2019-07-17  8:02     ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-07-17 22:27       ` Alistair Francis
2019-07-17 23:46         ` Alistair Francis
2019-07-18  0:05           ` Alistair Francis
2019-07-17  0:12 ` [RFC v3 19/23] RISC-V: Add ABI lists Alistair Francis
2019-07-17  0:12 ` [RFC v3 09/23] RISC-V: define __NR_* as __NR_*_time64/64 for 32-bit Alistair Francis
2019-07-17  0:12 ` [RFC v3 07/23] RISC-V: Use 64-bit time_t and off_t for RV32 and RV64 Alistair Francis
2019-07-17  8:27   ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-07-17 22:43     ` Alistair Francis
2019-07-18  7:41       ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-07-18 17:36         ` Alistair Francis
2019-07-19  6:44           ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-07-19 17:06             ` Alistair Francis
2019-07-17  0:12 ` [RFC v3 17/23] RISC-V: Hard float support for the 32 bit Alistair Francis
2019-07-17  0:12 ` [RFC v3 20/23] RISC-V: Build Infastructure for the 32-bit Alistair Francis
2019-07-17  0:12 ` [RFC v3 22/23] Add RISC-V 32-bit target to build-many-glibcs.py Alistair Francis
2019-07-17  0:12 ` [RFC v3 16/23] RISC-V: The ABI implementation for the 32-bit Alistair Francis
2019-07-17  0:12 ` [RFC v3 06/23] Documentation for the RISC-V 32-bit port Alistair Francis
2019-07-17  0:12 ` [RFC v3 18/23] RISC-V: Regenerate ULPs of RISC-V Alistair Francis
2019-07-17  0:12 ` [RFC v3 13/23] RISC-V: Use 64-bit timespec in clock_gettime vdso calls Alistair Francis
2019-07-17  8:14   ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-07-17  0:12 ` [RFC v3 15/23] RISC-V: Add path of library directories for the 32-bit Alistair Francis
2019-07-17 12:20   ` Florian Weimer
2019-07-17  0:12 ` [RFC v3 11/23] RISC-V: define __vdso_clock_getres as __vdso_clock_getres_time64 for 32-bit Alistair Francis
2019-07-17  0:12 ` [RFC v3 14/23] RISC-V: Support dynamic loader for the 32-bit Alistair Francis
2019-07-17  0:12 ` [RFC v3 12/23] RISC-V: define __vdso_clock_gettime as __vdso_clock_gettime64 for 32-bit Alistair Francis
2019-07-17  8:16   ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-07-19 17:19     ` Alistair Francis
2019-07-17  0:12 ` [RFC v3 10/23] RISC-V: define __NR_clock_getres as __NR_*_time64 " Alistair Francis
2019-07-17  0:12 ` [RFC v3 05/23] sysdeps/timespec_get: Use clock_gettime64 if avaliable Alistair Francis
2019-07-17  5:08   ` Florian Weimer
2019-07-17  7:59     ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-07-17  8:12       ` Florian Weimer
2019-07-17  8:23         ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-07-17  8:41           ` Florian Weimer
2019-07-17  8:54             ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-07-25 20:14       ` Joseph Myers
2019-07-17 12:23   ` Lukasz Majewski
2019-07-17  0:12 ` [RFC v3 21/23] RISC-V: Fix llrint and llround missing exceptions on RV32 Alistair Francis
2019-07-17 12:22   ` Florian Weimer
2019-07-17 22:35     ` Alistair Francis
2019-07-19 17:18 ` [RFC v3 00/23] RISC-V glibc port for the 32-bit Alistair Francis

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