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From: dalias <dalias@libc.org>
To: libc-alpha <libc-alpha@sourceware.org>
Subject: Re: Implement C11 annex K?
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 19:05:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140817190550.GK12888@brightrain.aerifal.cx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1XJ4nd-0001mU-LF@rmm6prod02.runbox.com>

On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 02:03:25PM -0400, David A. Wheeler wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 01:01:01 -0400, Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org> wrote:
> > Actually snprintf has both if you want:
> > 
> > snprintf(dest, destsize, "%.*s", srcsize, src);
> 
> As far as I can tell this doesn't guarantee that *reading* stops immediately once
> you exceed the length.
> 
> ISO/IEC 9899:2011 (E) section 7.21.6.1 ("The fprintf function") says under "s":
> "If no l length modifier is present, the argument shall be a pointer to the initial
> element of an array of character type.280) Characters from the array are
> written up to (but not including) the terminating null character. If the
> precision is specified, no more than that many bytes are written."

You missed the next sentence:

"If the precision is not specified or is greater than the size of the
array, the array shall contain a null character."

> Sure, src isn't required to point to a null-terminated string, so the spec requires that
> the implementation stop reading eventually.  But there's no guarantee in the spec
> that it'll stop at any particular point.  It could read 2G, then notice :-).

Formally there is no such thing as reading past the end of the array
(or even indexing past the end of the array). Yes a pathological
implementation on a machine without trapping could in principle do
such reads on the hardware, but it could also contain useless loops
that spin doing nothing for 10 seconds. There is no way to specify
that actions which are undefined don't happen without specifying
bounded time to return, which is way outside the scope of C.

Rich

  reply	other threads:[~2014-08-17 19:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <1407616492.31098.ezmlm@sourceware.org>
2014-08-09 20:52 ` David A. Wheeler
2014-08-10  7:52   ` Andreas Jaeger
2014-08-10 15:03     ` Adhemerval Zanella
2014-08-11 15:32       ` Joseph S. Myers
2014-08-11 15:52         ` Paul Eggert
2014-08-11 16:06           ` Joseph S. Myers
2014-08-11 15:56         ` David A. Wheeler
2014-08-12  4:23       ` Rich Felker
     [not found]         ` <3565dfa0-060c-46b9-b08c-6edc4eaa1179@email.android.com>
2014-08-12 21:00           ` Rich Felker
     [not found]             ` <d4ae8119-f629-4235-8981-dd2ccc220fea@email.android.com>
2014-08-12 22:08               ` Rich Felker
2014-08-12 23:15                 ` David A. Wheeler
2014-08-12 23:48                   ` dalias
2014-08-13 19:23                     ` David A. Wheeler
2014-08-13 19:44                       ` Adhemerval Zanella
2014-08-13 19:45                         ` Adhemerval Zanella
2014-08-13 20:49                         ` Rich Felker
2014-08-13 20:41                       ` dalias
2014-08-13 20:55                       ` Joseph S. Myers
2014-08-13 21:25                         ` Paul Eggert
2014-08-13 21:35                           ` Rich Felker
2014-08-13 22:46                             ` Tolga Dalman
2014-08-13 23:59                               ` Russ Allbery
2014-08-14  0:55                                 ` Joseph S. Myers
2014-08-14  1:01                                   ` Russ Allbery
2014-08-14  2:25                                 ` Rich Felker
2014-08-14  5:25                                   ` Russ Allbery
2014-08-14  5:46                                     ` Rich Felker
2014-08-14  6:15                                       ` Russ Allbery
2014-08-14  9:55                                         ` Florian Weimer
2014-08-14 10:02                                           ` Andreas Schwab
2014-08-14 10:06                                             ` Florian Weimer
2014-08-14 10:13                                               ` Andreas Schwab
2014-08-14 16:26                                                 ` Rich Felker
2014-08-14 16:53                                                   ` Andreas Schwab
2014-08-14 17:04                                                     ` Rich Felker
2014-08-18  7:31                                                       ` Andreas Schwab
2014-08-18 19:20                                                         ` Rich Felker
2014-08-14 15:20                                         ` Paul Eggert
2014-08-14 17:20                                           ` Russ Allbery
2014-08-14 17:46                                           ` Rich Felker
2014-08-15  7:51                                             ` Florian Weimer
2014-08-14  6:08                                 ` Paul Eggert
2014-08-15 14:25                                   ` David A. Wheeler
2014-08-15 15:36                                     ` Paul Eggert
2014-08-15 16:14                                       ` David A. Wheeler
2014-08-15 16:39                                         ` Rich Felker
2014-08-15 22:01                                           ` David A. Wheeler
2014-08-16  2:19                                             ` Rich Felker
2014-08-16  2:26                                             ` Russ Allbery
2014-08-16  2:49                                               ` Rich Felker
2014-08-16  3:03                                                 ` Russ Allbery
2014-08-15 22:04                                         ` Paul Eggert
2014-08-15 22:25                                           ` David A. Wheeler
2014-08-15 22:43                                             ` Adhemerval Zanella
2014-08-16  4:41                                               ` David A. Wheeler
2014-08-16  5:01                                                 ` Rich Felker
2014-08-17 18:03                                                   ` David A. Wheeler
2014-08-17 19:05                                                     ` dalias [this message]
2014-08-17 20:33                                                       ` David A. Wheeler
2014-08-17 23:25                                                         ` Rich Felker
2014-08-18  0:59                                                           ` David A. Wheeler
2014-08-18  0:15                                           ` David A. Wheeler
2014-08-18  8:03                                             ` Paul Eggert
2014-08-18 19:22                                               ` Rich Felker
2014-08-21 22:45                                               ` David A. Wheeler
2014-08-22  0:37                                                 ` Rich Felker
2014-08-22  1:39                                                 ` William Park
2014-08-22  1:53                                                   ` Jonathan Nieder
2014-08-22  4:36                                                     ` William Park
2014-08-22  2:32                                                 ` Paul Eggert
2014-08-22  2:51                                                   ` Rich Felker
2014-09-08 23:21                                                   ` David A. Wheeler
2014-09-09  3:34                                                     ` Paul Eggert
2014-08-13 22:20                         ` Time to add strlcpy/strlcat FINALLY David A. Wheeler
2014-08-14  1:09                           ` Paul Eggert
2014-08-14  2:34                             ` Rich Felker
2014-08-14  3:02                             ` William Park
2014-08-14 13:01                               ` Mike Frysinger
2014-08-15 10:37                                 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)

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