From: Fangrui Song <maskray@google.com>
To: Jonathan Wakely <jwakely@redhat.com>
Cc: Joseph Myers <joseph@codesourcery.com>,
Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>,
GNU C Library <libc-alpha@sourceware.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Check for ISO C compilers should also allow C++
Date: Fri, 13 May 2022 23:46:08 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220514064608.lonhluprui6ypv4k@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CACb0b4mYGHZPrFWAs781-Ov-h4mocRrzRZT3zR5Yg2t6NSaZhQ@mail.gmail.com>
On 2022-05-13, Jonathan Wakely via Libc-alpha wrote:
>On Fri, 13 May 2022 at 18:28, Joseph Myers wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 13 May 2022, Jonathan Wakely via Libc-alpha wrote:
>>
>> > Tested x86_64-linux.
>> >
>> > There is a suggestion[1] to make clang++ stop defining __STDC__ but it's
>> > blocked by this. The clang++ change will still be blocked while old
>> > Glibc versions are still in use, but we can start the clock ticking by
>> > fixing Glibc now.
>> >
>> > [1] https://discourse.llvm.org/t/rfc-stop-defining-the-stdc-and-related-macros-in-c-mode/62468/1
>> >
>> > >From a quick grep, I don't think any other places in Glibc need a
>> > similar change. Florian pointed out that gnulib overrides
>> > <sys/cdefs.h> and so should make the same change in its version.
>>
>> The change seems sane. While we don't document what extensions (beyond
>> C90 / C++98) are needed to use glibc's headers (e.g. long long, flexible
>> array members, anonymous structs / unions; in at least some cases,
>> alignment attributes and asm redirection of functions), I see no reason
>> defining __STDC__ in C++ should be such a required extension.
>
>Right. Its meaning in ISO C++ is entirely implementation-defined, and
>G++ doesn't document any particular meaning for it, and clang++
>doesn't either AFAIK, and follows a slightly different set of rules
>for when it's defined (see the link above). So in C++ the only thing
>that __STDC__ being defined tells you is that __STDC__ is defined :-)
>That's not a very useful thing to test for in isolation.
>
I agree with the spirit of the clang RFC but I am sad to know that glibc sys/cdefs.h blocks it.
Thanks for sending the patch!
It seems that the subject may be clearer if starting with "<sys/cdefs.h>: ..."
In addition, It will be clearer if the token `__STDC__` is mentioned on the subject line.
Reviewed-by: Fangrui Song <maskray@google.com>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-05-14 6:46 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-05-13 16:31 Jonathan Wakely
2022-05-13 16:46 ` Florian Weimer
2022-05-13 17:27 ` Joseph Myers
2022-05-13 17:41 ` Jonathan Wakely
2022-05-14 6:46 ` Fangrui Song [this message]
2022-05-16 15:50 ` Jonathan Wakely
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