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From: Dmitry Vyukov <dvyukov@google.com>
To: mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com
Cc: David.Laight@ACULAB.COM, alexander@mihalicyn.com,
	andrealmeid@igalia.com,  boqun.feng@gmail.com,
	brauner@kernel.org, carlos@redhat.com,  ckennelly@google.com,
	corbet@lwn.net, dancol@google.com, dave@stgolabs.net,
	 dvhart@infradead.org, fweimer@redhat.com,
	goldstein.w.n@gmail.com,  hpa@zytor.com,
	libc-alpha@sourceware.org, linux-api@vger.kernel.org,
	 linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, longman@redhat.com,
	mingo@redhat.com,  paulmck@kernel.org, peterz@infradead.org,
	pjt@google.com, posk@posk.io,  rostedt@goodmis.org,
	tglx@linutronix.de
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 1/4] rseq: Add sched_state field to struct rseq
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2023 22:52:15 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230926205215.472650-1-dvyukov@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2c421e36-a749-7dc3-3562-7a8cf256df3c@efficios.com>

>> I don't see why we can't stick this directly into struct rseq because
>> it's all public anyway.
>
> The motivation for moving this to a different cache line is to handle 
> the prior comment from Boqun, who is concerned that busy-waiting 
> repeatedly loading a field from struct rseq will cause false-sharing and 
> make other stores to that cache line slower, especially stores to 
> rseq_cs to begin rseq critical sections, thus slightly increasing the 
> overhead of rseq critical sections taken while mutexes are held.
>
> If we want to embed this field into struct rseq with its own cache line, 
> then we need to add a lot of padding, which is inconvenient.
>
> That being said, perhaps this is premature optimization, what do you think ?

Hi Mathieu, Florian,

This is exciting!

I thought the motivation for moving rseq_sched_state out of struct rseq
is lifetime management problem. I assume when a thread locks a mutex,
it stores pointer to rseq_sched_state in the mutex state for other
threads to poll. So the waiting thread would do something along the following
lines:

rseq_sched_state* state = __atomic_load_n(mutex->sched_state, __ATOMIC_RELAXED);
if (state && !(state->state & RSEQ_SCHED_STATE_FLAG_ON_CPU))
	futex_wait();

Now if the state is struct rseq, which is stored in TLS,
then the owning thread can unlock the mutex, exit and unmap TLS in between.
Consequently, load of state->state will cause a paging fault.

And we do want rseq in TLS to save 1 indirection.

If rseq_sched_state is separated from struct rseq, then it can be allocated
in type stable memory that is never unmapped.

What am I missing here?

However, if we can store this state in struct rseq, then an alternative
interface would for the kernel to do:

rseq->cpu_id = -1;

to denote that the thread is not running on any CPU.
I think it kinda makes sense, rseq->cpu_id is the thread's current CPU,
and -1 naturally means "not running at all". And we already store -1
right after init, so it shouldn't be a surprising value.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-09-26 20:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-05-29 19:14 [RFC PATCH v2 0/4] Extend rseq with sched_state_ptr field Mathieu Desnoyers
2023-05-29 19:14 ` [RFC PATCH v2 1/4] rseq: Add sched_state field to struct rseq Mathieu Desnoyers
2023-05-29 19:35   ` Florian Weimer
2023-05-29 19:48     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2023-05-30  8:20       ` Florian Weimer
2023-05-30 14:25         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2023-05-30 15:13           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2023-09-26 20:52       ` Dmitry Vyukov [this message]
2023-09-26 23:49         ` Dmitry Vyukov
2023-09-26 23:54           ` Dmitry Vyukov
2023-09-27  4:51           ` Florian Weimer
2023-09-27 15:58             ` Dmitry Vyukov
2023-09-28  8:52               ` Florian Weimer
2023-09-28 14:44                 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2023-09-28 14:47           ` Dmitry Vyukov
2023-09-28 10:39   ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-28 11:22     ` David Laight
2023-09-28 13:20       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2023-09-28 14:26         ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-28 14:33         ` David Laight
2023-09-28 15:05         ` André Almeida
2023-09-28 14:43     ` Steven Rostedt
2023-09-28 15:51       ` David Laight
2023-10-02 16:51         ` Steven Rostedt
2023-10-02 17:22           ` David Laight
2023-10-02 17:56             ` Steven Rostedt
2023-09-28 20:21   ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-09-28 20:43     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2023-09-28 20:54   ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-09-28 22:11     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2023-05-29 19:14 ` [RFC PATCH v2 2/4] selftests/rseq: Add sched_state rseq field and getter Mathieu Desnoyers
2023-05-29 19:14 ` [RFC PATCH v2 3/4] selftests/rseq: Implement sched state test program Mathieu Desnoyers
2023-05-29 19:14 ` [RFC PATCH v2 4/4] selftests/rseq: Implement rseq_mutex " Mathieu Desnoyers
2023-09-28 19:55   ` Thomas Gleixner

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