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From: Xi Ruoyao <xry111@xry111.site>
To: Zack Weinberg <zack@owlfolio.org>,
	Jeff Law <jeffreyalaw@gmail.com>,
	 Siddhesh Poyarekar <siddhesh@gotplt.org>,
	GNU libc development <libc-alpha@sourceware.org>
Cc: Adhemerval Zanella <adhemerval.zanella@linaro.org>,
	Carlos O'Donell <carlos@redhat.com>,
	"'Alejandro Colomar (man-pages)'" <alx.manpages@gmail.com>,
	 Andreas Schwab <schwab@suse.de>,
	David Malcolm <dmalcolm@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5] libio: Add nonnull attribute for most FILE * arguments in stdio.h
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2023 05:03:15 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2b0a78ff42fb00b92cf7a2d940dfeb141b0dfcfe.camel@xry111.site> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f73bdacd-58f7-4d4c-9cee-614bc55f6193@app.fastmail.com>

On Mon, 2023-07-10 at 16:55 -0400, Zack Weinberg wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 10, 2023, at 4:33 PM, Jeff Law via Libc-alpha wrote:
> > Essentially up to the point where the UB happens we have to preserve
> > visible side effects.  After the point where UB happens anything goes 
> > and our goal has been mark the paths through the CFG as dying at that 
> > point and forcing an immediate halt of the program (via __buitin_trap()).
> > 
> > There this all gets fuzzy is something like the NULL pointer property 
> > where the fact that a pointer must be non-null can backward propagate. 
> > ie, if a parameter is marked as non-null, then we will mark the 
> > corresponding SSA_NAME in the compiler as non-null.  Thus if there was 
> > some comparison of the SSA_NAME against NULL (perhaps well before the 
> > call), we'll optimize away that comparison.
> 
> Yep, see, that in and of itself is dangerous.
> 
> The bright line I would draw is: optimizations based on the assumption
> that control cannot proceed past the point where UB occurs are OK;
> optimizations based on the assumption that control cannot *reach* the
> point where UB occurs are *not* OK.  Removing a comparison to NULL,
> based on the observation that *later in some execution trace* the
> program will definitely dereference that pointer, falls in the latter
> category, *even if* there are no externally visible side effects in
> between the two points.

Why it's not OK if no externally visible side effects is between the two
points?

So what should we do now?  Remove all __nonnull from the headers?  Or
"some __nonnull are OK but my is not"?!

-- 
Xi Ruoyao <xry111@xry111.site>
School of Aerospace Science and Technology, Xidian University

  reply	other threads:[~2023-07-10 21:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-07-10 16:13 Xi Ruoyao
2023-07-10 17:12 ` Zack Weinberg
2023-07-10 17:27   ` Xi Ruoyao
2023-07-10 19:06     ` Zack Weinberg
2023-07-10 19:31       ` Xi Ruoyao
2023-07-10 17:51   ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-07-10 18:41     ` Xi Ruoyao
2023-07-10 20:14       ` _Nullable and _Nonnull in GCC's analyzer (was: [PATCH v5] libio: Add nonnull attribute for most FILE * arguments in stdio.h) Alejandro Colomar
2023-07-10 20:16         ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-08-08 10:01           ` Martin Uecker
2023-08-09  0:14             ` enh
2023-08-09  1:11               ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-08-09  7:26               ` Martin Uecker
2023-08-09 10:42                 ` ISO C's [static] (was: _Nullable and _Nonnull in GCC's analyzer) Alejandro Colomar
2023-08-09 12:03                   ` Martin Uecker
2023-08-09 12:37                     ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-08-09 14:24                       ` Martin Uecker
2023-08-09 13:46                   ` Xi Ruoyao
2023-08-11 23:34                 ` _Nullable and _Nonnull in GCC's analyzer (was: [PATCH v5] libio: Add nonnull attribute for most FILE * arguments in stdio.h) enh
2023-07-10 18:56     ` [PATCH v5] libio: Add nonnull attribute for most FILE * arguments in stdio.h Zack Weinberg
2023-07-10 19:31       ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-07-10 19:35         ` Xi Ruoyao
2023-07-10 19:46           ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-07-10 20:23             ` Xi Ruoyao
2023-07-10 20:33               ` Jeff Law
2023-07-10 20:44                 ` Xi Ruoyao
2023-07-10 20:55                 ` Zack Weinberg
2023-07-10 21:03                   ` Xi Ruoyao [this message]
2023-07-10 21:22                     ` Zack Weinberg
2023-07-10 21:33                       ` Xi Ruoyao
2023-07-11 19:12                         ` Zack Weinberg
2023-07-11 20:12                           ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-07-12  8:59                             ` Xi Ruoyao
2023-07-10 22:09                       ` Paul Eggert
2023-07-11 19:18                         ` Zack Weinberg
2023-07-11 20:45                           ` Jeff Law
2023-07-11 23:59                             ` Paul Eggert
2023-07-12  2:40                               ` Jeff Law
2023-07-10 22:48                       ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-07-11  0:45                         ` Sam James
2023-07-10 21:51                   ` Jeff Law
2023-07-11 13:03                     ` Cristian Rodríguez
2023-07-10 22:34                 ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-07-10 22:59                   ` Jeff Law
2023-07-11  0:51         ` Sam James

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