From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 102195 invoked by alias); 18 Jan 2018 12:58:22 -0000 Mailing-List: contact libc-alpha-help@sourceware.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: libc-alpha-owner@sourceware.org Received: (qmail 101842 invoked by uid 89); 18 Jan 2018 12:58:21 -0000 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; auth=none X-Virus-Found: No X-Spam-SWARE-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,SPF_HELO_PASS,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 spammy=fund, pay, activities, research X-HELO: mx1.redhat.com Subject: Re: Upstreaming the glibc Hurd port To: bug-hurd@gnu.org, Thomas Schwinge , GNU C Library References: <20180118124537.yampmyfjsbi6wvia@var.youpi.perso.aquilenet.fr> From: Florian Weimer Message-ID: <2e5f69e7-4f26-887b-37bc-2871a293aa0f@redhat.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 12:58:00 -0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20180118124537.yampmyfjsbi6wvia@var.youpi.perso.aquilenet.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SW-Source: 2018-01/txt/msg00597.txt.bz2 On 01/18/2018 01:45 PM, Samuel Thibault wrote: > Florian Weimer, on jeu. 18 janv. 2018 13:39:51 +0100, wrote: >> Is it just a matter of someone doing the work of upstreaming all the >> existing patches? > > It's mostly that, yes. Good to know, thanks. The question is how we can do this incrementally (so that others can contribute), considering that is currently not exactly easy to set up and maintain a development environment to validate the changes. >> If we cannot resolve this is in the coming months, I think we should >> seriously consider a removal of the Hurd port, I'm afraid. > > Ok, then I can take the time to do it, but as usual it'll be at the > expense of other Hurd activities, e.g. the obvious Meltdown/Spectre > issues, etc. Information leakage and microkernels are certainly an interesting research topic. Message passing results in very different security considerations. > Unless bug-hurd people actually help me with it. I have repeatedly suggested that the FSF uses the toolchain fund to pay for this work. I do not know there was under serious consideration (or if the suggestion even made it to the FSF). Thanks, Florian