From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [131.179.128.68]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 631FF3893C48 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2021 19:42:56 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.1 sourceware.org 631FF3893C48 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=cs.ucla.edu Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=cs.ucla.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DC311600A7; Tue, 6 Jul 2021 12:42:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id 2obKAhtm6RIH; Tue, 6 Jul 2021 12:42:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C48C1600E5; Tue, 6 Jul 2021 12:42:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id XFGguOzvIxLW; Tue, 6 Jul 2021 12:42:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.9] (cpe-172-91-119-151.socal.res.rr.com [172.91.119.151]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5771A1600A7; Tue, 6 Jul 2021 12:42:54 -0700 (PDT) To: "Bradley M. Kuhn" Cc: Carlos O'Donell , Florian Weimer , libc-alpha@sourceware.org, Bruno Haible , "Dmitry V. Levin" References: <1b2ac4c8-0bbf-b7a7-8b05-03d5a71d46f4@cs.ucla.edu> <87eeceqomw.fsf@oldenburg.str.redhat.com> <7ce2b2b9-eb78-399d-abb2-de7690b3da5b@cs.ucla.edu> <89e0ff1d-2500-3fa4-4565-e6ef30656b95@cs.ucla.edu> From: Paul Eggert Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Subject: Re: Seeking input from developers: glibc copyright assignment policy. Message-ID: <38a0e201-8d99-ef4e-c9c4-58478d8cfd53@cs.ucla.edu> Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2021 12:42:54 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, KAM_DMARC_STATUS, NICE_REPLY_A, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS, TXREP autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: libc-alpha@sourceware.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Libc-alpha mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2021 19:42:58 -0000 On 7/6/21 11:05 AM, Bradley M. Kuhn wrote: > Is the =E2=80=9CGNU Toolchain Authors=E2=80=9D a entity that legally ex= ists? Only a real > entity should be listed in a copyright notice. Yes and no. It's OK for a copyright notice to identify owners by=20 reference instead of by naming them explicitly. See section 2205.2(F) of=20 the Copyright Compendium I mentioned earlier=20 . It gives=20 "copyright by publisher" as an example, where the publisher must be=20 obvious from the rest of the document content. You're right, though, that without a clear statement of how one maps the=20 phrase "GNU Toolchain Authors" to what the phrase refers to, the=20 copyright notice would be defective. So far, we haven't come up with a=20 clear statement. Legally speaking, we don't *need* to do anything to the copyright=20 notices, if the DCO contributors are OK with that. That is, we can leave=20 the existing copyright notices as-is, and not mention DCOed contributors=20 at all, unless their contributions contain their copyright notices. That=20 would be simplest, in terms of meaning the fewest changes to existing=20 source code. However, if we do this we should make the procedure clear=20 to everyone concerned. > I make the case again for moving glibc from a file-by-file copyright > inventory mechanism to a single, toplevel file I agree that it'd be helpful to have such a file if well-maintained,=20 regardless of whether we make changes to the existing copyright notices.=20 I'd welcome contributions along those lines.