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From: Carlos O'Donell <carlos@redhat.com>
To: Alexandre Oliva <aoliva@redhat.com>
Cc: Zack Weinberg <zackw@panix.com>,
	GNU C Library <libc-alpha@sourceware.org>
Subject: [PATCH] Revert Abortion joke removal.
Date: Mon, 07 May 2018 13:07:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3ae092ce-d52b-70f5-e4a3-43cb2682cff8@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <or36z4xele.fsf@lxoliva.fsfla.org>

On 05/07/2018 12:41 AM, Alexandre Oliva wrote:
> On May  6, 2018, "Carlos O'Donell" <carlos@redhat.com> wrote:
> 
>> I am splitting it into two discussions:
> 
>> (1) Discuss the deletion of the abortion/censorship joke.
> 
>> (2) Discuss trauma caused by function names and their associations to other
>>     languages.
> 
> The issues are one and the same.
> 
> The deletion of the censorship joke is (allegedly) justified by
> undesirable emotions that might allegedly be brought about by the joke,
> but its effect on at least one of the persons who shared information
> about their own trauma points at the opposite effect: the joke brings
> relief, which the deletion would take away.  That's the *opposite* of
> the allegedly intended effect of the deletion.  By dismissing that and
> pretending it to be a separate discussion you're just making it plain
> that you don't really care about the excuses for the deletion.

I care deeply, but in order to make progress issues need to be dealt
with individually in order for differing groups to make progress.

It will be hard to make progress with multiple issues at the same time.

> Since it all seems to be a sham, I'm about to comply with the decision
> of the project leader and primary and ultimate maintainer, who partially
> delegated maintainership to myself and others under certain constraints,
> and proceed to reverse the deletion.

Correct. However, you go against the objections of at least 3 of your fellow
GNU project maintainers. Consider that please.

> This is also in line with the community-agreed procedures.

No. Is not in line. You have ignored the community principles and checked
in the patch against the objections of fellow GNU package maintainers.
 
> It is obvious that we didn't have consensus on a decision to install
> that patch, since both sides are still arguing over it.

No. At the time the patch had consensus. The reversal does not. It's OK
though as a GNU package maintainer you do not need to follow any of these
rules.

> As for the decision to reverse the deletion, if we even need one to
> counter a move that did not have consensus, although nobody else offered
> to install the reversal and restore the status prior to the fait
> accompli, and some explicitly refused to do so themselves, nobody
> objected when I offered to do so.  Therefore, by the same reasoning that
> led to the mistaken installation of the patch, and after a much longer
> wait for objections, I understand there is consensus on my reverting it.

No. You do not have consensus, but that's OK, *you* alone are putting the
patch back in and the rest of us will have nothing to do with it.

-- 
Cheers,
Carlos.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-05-07 13:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 268+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <orin883lcl.fsf@lxoliva.fsfla.org>
2018-05-01  3:03 ` [rain1@airmail.cc] Delete abortion joke Richard Stallman
2018-05-01 13:54   ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-02  0:30     ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-02  3:28       ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-02  6:37         ` Florian Weimer
2018-05-03  3:34           ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-03  3:34           ` ISO standards Richard Stallman
2018-05-02 19:08         ` [rain1@airmail.cc] Delete abortion joke Zack Weinberg
2018-05-03  0:28           ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-03  2:33             ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-03  6:08               ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-05 15:44                 ` Federico Leva (Nemo)
2018-05-04  4:22               ` [rain1@airmail.cc] " Richard Stallman
2018-05-07  1:48                 ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-03  2:49           ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-03  0:55         ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-05 11:45         ` @cartouche (was: [rain1@airmail.cc] Delete abortion joke) Dmitry V. Levin
2018-05-06  3:05           ` @cartouche Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-02  3:11     ` [rain1@airmail.cc] Delete abortion joke Richard Stallman
2018-05-02  6:26       ` Ondřej Bílka
2018-05-02  6:36         ` Rical Jasan
2018-05-02  7:00         ` Javier Serrano Polo
2018-05-02  7:16           ` Rical Jasan
2018-05-03  3:34           ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-03  3:34         ` [rain1@airmail.cc] " Richard Stallman
2018-05-01 14:18   ` Florian Weimer
2018-05-02  3:09     ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-03 10:48       ` Florian Weimer
2018-05-01 14:45   ` Zach van Rijn
2018-05-02  3:08     ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]   ` <2e49b0b7f6ba587e0a5d08e701212fd4@airmail.cc>
2018-05-01 14:53     ` rain1
2018-05-01 15:40   ` Rich Felker
     [not found]   ` <CAAKybw_h991qCFcLo1orG41gUOq3K-nur4mpn0ZO0Q832OhsoQ@mail.gmail.com>
2018-05-01 15:52     ` Ryan S. Arnold
2018-05-02  3:07     ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-01 16:12   ` Zack Weinberg
2018-05-02  3:11     ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-02 19:03       ` Zack Weinberg
2018-05-04  4:18         ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-02 19:56       ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-04  4:20         ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-04  6:52           ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-04 10:02             ` Florian Weimer
2018-05-04 10:18               ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-07  2:01             ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-07  3:09               ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-07  9:29               ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-07 20:21               ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-07 20:42                 ` Federico Leva (Nemo)
2018-05-07 21:26                   ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-03  4:36       ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-03  7:01         ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-03 11:07           ` Adhemerval Zanella
2018-05-07 23:44             ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-05-08  1:00               ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-03 13:53           ` Jeff Law
2018-05-03 12:28         ` Florian Weimer
2018-05-03 20:58           ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-03 23:59             ` Zach van Rijn
2018-05-05  4:49               ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-04  1:09             ` Zack Weinberg
2018-05-05  4:18               ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-06 19:01                 ` Zack Weinberg
2018-05-06 19:17                   ` Zack Weinberg
2018-05-06 20:19                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-06 22:56                     ` Zack Weinberg
2018-05-07  0:07                       ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-07  0:50                         ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-07  1:07                           ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-07  2:03                             ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-07  4:41                               ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-07  6:13                                 ` DJ Delorie
2018-05-07 16:46                                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-07 18:30                                     ` DJ Delorie
2018-05-07 18:36                                       ` Florian Weimer
2018-05-07 18:41                                         ` Jeff Law
2018-05-07 19:00                                           ` Adhemerval Zanella
2018-05-07 19:28                                             ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-07 22:09                                       ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-07 20:48                                     ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-08  4:45                                       ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-08  8:27                                         ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-08 12:08                                         ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-08 10:06                                       ` Andreas Schwab
2018-05-08 10:36                                         ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-08 11:36                                           ` Andreas Schwab
2018-05-08 12:03                                             ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-08 12:09                                               ` Andreas Schwab
2018-05-08 13:08                                                 ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-08 14:03                                                   ` Andreas Schwab
2018-05-08 14:17                                                     ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-08 14:26                                                       ` Andreas Schwab
2018-05-08 14:36                                                         ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-08 15:01                                                         ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-08 16:32                                                           ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-08 18:58                                                             ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-08 14:21                                                     ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-08 14:27                                                       ` Andreas Schwab
2018-05-08 14:36                                                         ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-08 12:18                                             ` commit reversion without review (was: [rain1@airmail.cc] Delete abortion joke) Dmitry V. Levin
2018-05-08 16:22                                               ` commit reversion without review Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-10  1:48                                                 ` Dmitry V. Levin
2018-05-10  5:21                                                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-10  5:53                                                     ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-08 12:32                                         ` [rain1@airmail.cc] Delete abortion joke Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-08 12:45                                           ` Andreas Schwab
2018-05-08 12:57                                             ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-08 14:37                                             ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-08 16:36                                           ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-08 19:08                                             ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-08 19:28                                               ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-08 20:21                                                 ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-09  2:26                                                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-09 10:32                                                     ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-08 21:47                                                 ` Maurizio Manfredini
2018-05-07 13:07                                 ` Carlos O'Donell [this message]
2018-05-07 21:19                                   ` [PATCH] Revert Abort joke removal Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-07 21:41                                     ` DJ Delorie
2018-05-08  0:05                                       ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-08  4:46                                       ` Javiera Serrano Polo
2018-05-07 22:09                                   ` [PATCH] Revert Abortion " Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-07 22:39                                     ` DJ Delorie
2018-05-07 23:45                                       ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-07 23:51                                         ` Jonathan Nieder
2018-05-08  0:46                                           ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-08  1:08                                           ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-08  5:04                                             ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-08 15:20                                               ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-08 16:25                                                 ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-08 17:51                                                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-08 17:54                                                     ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-08 18:25                                                       ` Zack Weinberg
2018-05-08 19:34                                                         ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-08 19:54                                                           ` Javiera Serrano Polo
2018-05-08 20:08                                                             ` Javiera Serrano Polo
2018-05-09  2:40                                                             ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-08 19:57                                                           ` Zack Weinberg
2018-05-09  1:16                                                             ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-10  3:52                                                               ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-10  4:41                                                                 ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-10  5:55                                                                   ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-10  6:49                                                                     ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-08 20:38                                                           ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-08 18:32                                                       ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-08 20:34                                                     ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-08 17:19                                                 ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-08 18:15                                                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-08 20:09                                                     ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-09  3:04                                                       ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-09 10:52                                                         ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-09 17:12                                                           ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-09  6:25                                                     ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-09 17:12                                                       ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-09 17:46                                                         ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-09 23:51                                                           ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-10  2:32                                                             ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-10  4:53                                                               ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-08 10:10                                           ` Andreas Schwab
2018-05-08 10:28                                             ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-08 16:28                                               ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-08 17:33                                                 ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-08 18:38                                                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-08 19:28                                                 ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-09 18:22                                                 ` Jeff Law
2018-05-10  6:13                                                   ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-10 11:06                                                   ` Chester Gregg
2018-05-08  8:13                                         ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-08  2:04                                     ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-08  5:12                                       ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-08  5:18                                         ` Matt Turner
2018-05-08 15:19                                           ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-08  8:44                                         ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-07  2:03                     ` [rain1@airmail.cc] Delete abortion joke Richard Stallman
2018-05-08 15:55                       ` Joseph Myers
2018-05-09 19:56                         ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-05-07  6:55                   ` Paul Eggert
2018-05-07 19:18                     ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-07 19:57                     ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-06  3:17               ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-06 18:00                 ` Zack Weinberg
2018-05-06 18:04                   ` Javiera Serrano Polo
2018-05-06 18:14                     ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-06 18:29                       ` Javiera Serrano Polo
2018-05-06 19:20                     ` Florian Weimer
2018-05-07  2:03                     ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-07 19:29                       ` Javiera Serrano Polo
2018-05-07 23:51                         ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-07 23:56                           ` Zach van Rijn
2018-05-08  0:11                           ` Lets add a joke to the manual Mark Wielaard
2018-05-08  1:28                             ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-08  1:41                               ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-08  5:13                                 ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-08  9:07                               ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-08  3:28                           ` Delete abortion joke Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-08  4:46                           ` Javiera Serrano Polo
2018-05-11 16:12                             ` [PATCH] manual: Improve quality of comic content in abort [BZ #23168] Javiera Serrano Polo
2018-05-11 17:20                               ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-11 17:46                                 ` Javiera Serrano Polo
2018-05-11 20:21                                   ` Javiera Serrano Polo
2018-05-11 21:46                                   ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]                       ` <1525713151.19750.28.camel@jasp.net>
2018-05-08  1:55                         ` Delete abortion joke Richard Stallman
2018-05-07  2:03                   ` [rain1@airmail.cc] " Richard Stallman
2018-05-07  2:22                     ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-07  2:04               ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-04  2:56             ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-04 16:32               ` Rich Felker
2018-05-04 16:40                 ` Javiera Serrano Polo
2018-05-05  4:07                 ` [rain1@airmail.cc] " Richard Stallman
2018-05-05  4:06               ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-05  7:40                 ` Javiera Serrano Polo
2018-05-05 12:19                 ` [rain1@airmail.cc] " Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-06  3:16                   ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-06  5:03                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-06  3:17               ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-07  7:45                 ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-08  1:53                   ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-07 20:56             ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-07 21:29               ` Federico Leva (Nemo)
2018-05-07 23:25               ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-08  9:26                 ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-08 16:17                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-08 17:40                     ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-08 18:55                       ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-09  5:51                         ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-09 17:12                           ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-09 17:50                             ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-09 23:09                               ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-10  0:28                                 ` DJ Delorie
2018-05-10  5:03                                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-10  2:57                                 ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-10 11:43                                 ` Chester Gregg
2018-05-08 20:41                     ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-09  2:38                       ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-09  9:28                         ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-09 17:12                           ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-07 22:08             ` William Pitcock
2018-05-08  1:56               ` gag rule joke Richard Stallman
2018-05-08  3:26                 ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-09  3:39                   ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-09  5:29                     ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-09  8:42                     ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-09  9:00                       ` Chester Gregg
2018-05-09 23:58                         ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-09 11:06                       ` Javiera Serrano Polo
2018-05-09 12:09                         ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-09 13:55                           ` Javiera Serrano Polo
2018-05-09 14:48                             ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-09 23:57                               ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-10 11:33                                 ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-11  2:34                                   ` Javiera Serrano Polo
2018-05-11  1:32                   ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-11  1:58                     ` Jonathan Nieder
2018-05-11  3:58                     ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-08  9:43                 ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-09  3:34                   ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-09  8:34                     ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-09 10:59                       ` Javiera Serrano Polo
2018-05-09 12:05                         ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-09 12:34                         ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-04  4:20           ` [rain1@airmail.cc] Delete abortion joke Richard Stallman
2018-05-04  9:25             ` Florian Weimer
2018-05-05  4:05               ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-08 10:55         ` Christian Brauner
2018-05-03 15:00   ` DJ Delorie
2018-05-03 17:05     ` Javier Serrano Polo
2018-05-05  4:02       ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-05  4:03     ` [rain1@airmail.cc] " Richard Stallman
2018-05-07 19:53       ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-07 21:32   ` William Pitcock

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