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From: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
To: DJ Delorie <dj@redhat.com>, Carlos O'Donell <carlos@redhat.com>
Cc: libc-alpha@sourceware.org
Subject: Re: Rename "master" branch to "main"?
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 11:29:43 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <41ed36bf-b79a-b4c1-a738-660f7076d797@cs.ucla.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xny2o3t9i4.fsf@greed.delorie.com>

On 7/1/20 10:45 AM, DJ Delorie via Libc-alpha wrote:
> I recall the abort
> joke discussion that included only two women (eventually) among the
> dozens of men, is this a similar case where only the welcome people are
> choosing what "welcome" means?

I also recall that discussion, where I was struck by this eloquent email from
Rey Tucker:

https://sourceware.org/pipermail/libc-alpha/2018-May/093595.html

which ended with, "I would bolster this with my credentials as a part of the
glibc community, but history is littered with the ruined husks of tech careers
of the women who dared to challenge the opinions of men, and I really need to
pay my rent and finish a release."

I was the only one to respond to that email directly on the list. I thanked her
for her comment and wrote, "I hope RMS takes time to read and consider your full
comment carefully." Nobody else responded directly, and RMS's eventual reaction
was exceedingly negative.

So much for our being "welcoming", huh?

>> Problematic language will *never end* and it will always be our
>> responsibility to listen to people who are impacted by such
>> language ...
> 
> Then let's hear from *those* people.

"*those* people"? I suggest reading Rey Tucker's email again, and try looking at
things from the point of view of "*those* people".

  reply	other threads:[~2020-07-01 18:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-06-30 18:10 Carlos O'Donell
2020-06-30 18:35 ` Paul Eggert
2020-06-30 20:16   ` Carlos O'Donell
2020-06-30 21:08     ` Paul Eggert
2020-06-30 18:59 ` Florian Weimer
2020-06-30 20:14   ` Carlos O'Donell
2020-07-01  9:38     ` Florian Weimer
2020-07-03 15:26   ` Richard Earnshaw
2020-07-03 15:33     ` Carlos O'Donell
2020-06-30 21:24 ` Joseph Myers
2020-06-30 21:44   ` Carlos O'Donell
2020-06-30 22:56     ` Joseph Myers
2020-06-30 22:59 ` DJ Delorie
2020-07-01  7:17   ` Andreas Schwab
2020-07-01 15:42     ` Carlos O'Donell
2020-07-01 12:29   ` Adhemerval Zanella
2020-07-01 12:49     ` Carlos O'Donell
2020-07-01 13:41       ` Adhemerval Zanella
2020-07-01 16:15   ` Carlos O'Donell
2020-07-01 17:45     ` DJ Delorie
2020-07-01 18:29       ` Paul Eggert [this message]
2020-07-01 18:43         ` DJ Delorie
2020-07-02 15:40 ` Zack Weinberg
2020-07-02 16:00   ` Florian Weimer
2020-07-02 16:36   ` Joseph Myers
2020-07-02 20:46     ` Paul Eggert
2020-07-04 16:43     ` Zack Weinberg
2020-07-02 20:58   ` Michael Kerrisk
2020-07-03 15:20     ` Carlos O'Donell
2020-07-04 16:52     ` Pseudoterminal terminology (was Re: Rename "master" branch to "main"?) Zack Weinberg
2020-07-05 14:54       ` J William Piggott
2020-07-06  9:18         ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-07-06  9:13       ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-07-27 20:32         ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-07-27 20:52           ` enh
2020-07-27 20:55             ` enh
2020-07-27 20:59               ` Florian Weimer
2020-07-27 22:48                 ` enh
2020-07-28 15:26             ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-07-28 15:32               ` Florian Weimer
2020-07-28 15:44                 ` enh
2020-07-28 19:16                 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-07-28 19:18                   ` enh
2020-07-28 18:47               ` enh
2020-07-28 19:27                 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-07-28 19:33                   ` enh
2020-07-03 15:22 ` Rename "master" branch to "main"? Richard Earnshaw
2020-07-03 15:37   ` Carlos O'Donell
2020-07-13 15:14 ` Carlos O'Donell
2021-01-14  9:21 ` Mike Frysinger
2021-01-14 11:17   ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2021-01-14 17:54   ` Joseph Myers
2021-01-14 20:56     ` Carlos O'Donell
2021-01-14 21:42       ` Mike Frysinger
2021-01-20 13:49         ` Carlos O'Donell
2021-01-21  0:23           ` Mike Frysinger
2021-01-21 13:30             ` Carlos O'Donell
2021-01-21 13:57               ` Andreas Schwab
2021-01-21 17:06               ` Mike Frysinger
2021-01-21 19:37                 ` Carlos O'Donell
2021-01-21 20:19                   ` Andreas Schwab
2021-01-22  2:32                   ` Mike Frysinger

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