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To: Florian Weimer Cc: Eli Zaretskii , libc-alpha@sourceware.org References: <4369849.fY2oj7UdlA@omega> <83sg17rrf6.fsf@gnu.org> <83k0misbni.fsf@gnu.org> <3e0c8f21-422b-ffd6-d939-49f88f09cac7@gotplt.org> <83fsx6s9so.fsf@gnu.org> <2619fea4-4fb4-84cf-b9d2-f1ef21d40bcb@gotplt.org> <83a6nerxhg.fsf@gnu.org> <42bd0b29-7bcd-1c3a-4fde-269d869b0afb@gotplt.org> <87mtre9m53.fsf@oldenburg.str.redhat.com> <0676248d-9143-0d4f-5af7-b9bbcce1cb81@gotplt.org> <87im229laa.fsf@oldenburg.str.redhat.com> X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a58 From: Siddhesh Poyarekar Message-ID: <51a5326b-e870-1202-3dde-970f77a16471@gotplt.org> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2021 18:18:55 +0530 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.10.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <87im229laa.fsf@oldenburg.str.redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3029.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, DKIM_VALID_EF, NICE_REPLY_A, RCVD_IN_BARRACUDACENTRAL, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS, TXREP autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: libc-alpha@sourceware.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Libc-alpha mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2021 12:49:08 -0000 On 6/25/21 6:03 PM, Florian Weimer wrote: > * Siddhesh Poyarekar: >=20 >> On 6/25/21 5:44 PM, Florian Weimer wrote: >>> =E2=80=9CUse=E2=80=9D is a technical term for exploiting rights under= copyright. Such >>> rights include making copies and distributing them. >> >> Interesting, so does that also give rights to re-license for >> distribution? I was convinced otherwise. >=20 > I have no idea. I don't even know if the FSF intends to grant a > sublicense. U.S. courts apparently have developed the concept of an > implied sublicense, but it's unclear whether the preconditions for that > have been met in our case. The thing is, if I have an implied, unlimited right to distribute then I=20 have the right to dictate the terms of the distribution. That does not=20 sound correct. I'm unable to find a reference that says that 'use' implies=20 distribution. The copyright law gives exclusive distribution rights to=20 the copyright holder, so I would have thought that the distribution=20 aspect ought to be made explicit. In fact, the FSF agreement explicitly mentions "use, license and=20 distribute" in the context of rights that the FSF gains from the=20 assignment, among other things. Siddhesh