From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 76560 invoked by alias); 26 Jan 2016 20:15:58 -0000 Mailing-List: contact libc-alpha-help@sourceware.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: libc-alpha-owner@sourceware.org Received: (qmail 75414 invoked by uid 89); 26 Jan 2016 20:15:58 -0000 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; auth=none X-Virus-Found: No X-Spam-SWARE-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT,FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 spammy=sk:transla, Swiss, swiss, normalized X-HELO: mail-wm0-f47.google.com X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=aCxzmBFiare1fG2+gOqLxIlApRcXHt6ummVEdMDkYSE=; b=OVt5pU6C0Lnpk8ddI9P4paIpmHqHMMfpyJ+NZGfPWWJLidUIdPDaGKHHMR22eXCWJW 9k5XSFSIsl7bvCKf2US0mmo8dWhn2p2tGmJ7K1q1wd+J5/hobsqymiDMV9dERnwXo/07 ME2hUsS/Yq5Dots6UPOsxSe+fYmtP2wxGDpuRoaKoukbCF52kkYbVyEHifeYB6KsVXxP ioSOfY2ILSW79WOtqMT4JCKcxoPKoxq1aAeuleI/YmBgPKdfNuxPDMxz5IZAvQFdemGr gqPBQctxJ4u0VpQ0taiEcdoAs62CI5Po4Jwj0cg2cXJsJCgpN5qtRz4567BPV9rtY2LE GyqQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AG10YOS55QWd7DoJMy2w+PYE3HJp5MaSuZWfCsrt/hsDeW3cmc2p+m4dbsBdUMFrpf3y4Q== X-Received: by 10.194.63.40 with SMTP id d8mr25378143wjs.127.1453839353568; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 12:15:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Change for locale fr_CH and it_CH for monday as fisrt day of the week To: libc-alpha@sourceware.org References: <569D90B8.7020509@gmail.com> <569D91CA.6050809@gmail.com> <20160119014137.GS4894@vapier.lan> <20160119022940.GA7664@www5.open-std.org> <569FE94A.1030300@gmail.com> Cc: vapier@gentoo.org From: Arnaud Message-ID: <56A7D3F7.9060001@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 20:15:00 -0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <569FE94A.1030300@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SW-Source: 2016-01/txt/msg00761.txt.bz2 Le 20. 01. 16 21:08, Arnaud a écrit : > Le 19. 01. 16 03:29, keld@keldix.com a écrit : >> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 08:41:37PM -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote: >>> On 19 Jan 2016 02:30, Arnaud wrote: >>>> Would it be possible to change the locale fr_CH and it_CH to have monday as the first day of the week ? >>> >>> do you have links to standards to justify the change ? >>> we like to note this info for reference/historical tracking. >> >> It is probably because ISO 8601 is a Swiss standard. >> ISO 8601 says that Monday is the first day of the week. > > Is this reference enough to be accepted ? > > I have read, in a few bugzilla asking to change this first day of the week (for others countries), that it was refused > because there wasn't an official document refering to the first day of the week in the country. > > Why would there be a document like this when it has always been like this (as far as I have found)? > If there is one, it is probably not known by a lot of people, and really hard to find. > > It was accepted for: de_CH, wae_CH (I don't even know what is Walser) > > and for: > an_ES, ast_ES, bg_BG, br_FR, ca_ES, ce_RU, crh_UA, csb_PL, cv_RU, cy_GB, da_DK, de_AT, de_BE, de_DE, de_LU, el_GR, en_DK, en_GB, en_IE, es_CO, es_CR, et_EE, eu_ES, fi_FI, fr_BE, fr_FR, fr_LU, fy_NL, ga_IE, gl_ES, gv_GB, hsb_DE, ia_FR, it_IT, kw_GB, lb_LU, lij_IT, lt_LT, lv_LV, mhr_RU, mk_MK, mt_MT, nb_NO, nl_BE, nl_NL, nn_NO, oc_FR, os_RU, ro_RO, ru_RU, ru_UA, sl_SI, sr_ME, sr_RS, sr_RS@latin, sv_FI, sv_SE, sw_KE, tr_TR, uk_UA, wa_BE > > PS: I have removed the [COMMITTED] in the subject, as it shouldn't be there. Maybe these links ? They are in german/french/italian but not english, so I used google translate... https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=fr&sl=fr&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ssrq-sds-fds.ch%2Fonline%2Foverview.html "The standardized date after the YYYY-MM-DD scheme (ISO 8601) is located under "date", the original entrance to the edition under "date printed." https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=en&u=https://www.ssrq-sds-fds.ch/wiki/Datierungsrichtlinien "Data is in accordance with ISO 8601 inwhen normalized (YYYY-MM-DD). After ISO 8601 and TEI is when using thewhen attribute always the Gregorian calendar meant." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601 Switzerland SN ISO 8601:2005-08 (replaced SN-EN 28601:1994)