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Content-Language: en-US To: Paul Eggert , Sam James , Mark Wielaard Cc: Jakub Jelinek , libc-alpha@sourceware.org, Andreas Schwab , Joseph Myers , Maxim Kuvyrkov , Carlos O'Donell References: <15af1715-3530-7c29-7595-5abe48c18e8b@cs.ucla.edu> <87ledqe8ej.fsf@gentoo.org> <43743bb5-e79e-f915-9528-4b3556de1c5c@gotplt.org> <89eeebda-4f12-e819-4a8d-c0aaac50a3c9@cs.ucla.edu> From: Siddhesh Poyarekar In-Reply-To: <89eeebda-4f12-e819-4a8d-c0aaac50a3c9@cs.ucla.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3031.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,NICE_REPLY_A,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,TXREP autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on server2.sourceware.org List-Id: On 2023-09-01 10:54, Paul Eggert wrote: > On 2023-09-01 05:30, Siddhesh Poyarekar wrote: > >> It is the Technical Advisory Committee that decides on the >> infrastructure tech and that is comprised completely of members from >> the GNU toolchain community.  We will make sure that glibc services >> are implemented using Free software. > > This sounds good, but I don't see the Linux Foundation agreeing to it in > the URLs Carlos mentioned at the start of this thread (see below). What > I see are statements[1][2] from the GNU Toolchain Infrastructure project > that GTI has "requested" that only free software be used. This is not > the same thing. > > It'd be helpful to have a statement from the Linux Foundation that they > agree to use only free software to support glibc, and that GTI's > Technical Advisory Committee is empowered to inspect the Core Toolchain > Infrastructure used for glibc, so that the GTI TAC can verify that only > free software is used. > > This shouldn't be that much to ask for. And I would think that the Linux > Foundation would welcome such an agreement, not only because the Linux > Foundation wants to support free software, but because it wants its > infrastructure to be open and checkable and usable by others. Ack, I'll leave this for Carlos to bring up with LF. As far as my understanding goes, it's upon us as TAC to drive this but we can figure out the specifics. Thanks, Sid