From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 48491 invoked by alias); 9 May 2018 06:25:41 -0000 Mailing-List: contact libc-alpha-help@sourceware.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: libc-alpha-owner@sourceware.org Received: (qmail 47813 invoked by uid 89); 9 May 2018 06:25:41 -0000 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; auth=none X-Virus-Found: No X-Spam-SWARE-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 spammy=grown, projecting, rights, him X-HELO: homiemail-a69.g.dreamhost.com Subject: Re: [PATCH] Revert Abortion joke removal. To: Alexandre Oliva Cc: Jonathan Nieder , DJ Delorie , libc-alpha@sourceware.org References: <20180507235151.GC10348@aiede.svl.corp.google.com> <26d9590f-6e2f-8039-005f-a433b0ac8bfd@gotplt.org> From: Siddhesh Poyarekar Message-ID: <76b6f09e-c76f-c50c-5ae7-b6dd3998951b@gotplt.org> Date: Wed, 09 May 2018 06:25:00 -0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SW-Source: 2018-05/txt/msg00380.txt.bz2 [snipping comments on consensus because we've beaten it to death] On 05/08/2018 11:44 PM, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > However, we all realize there is such a community power, though I won't > equate the community threatening to exercise that power right now with > the entire community of glibc contributors and developers. Part of that > power is that of mobilizing a mob (redundant much? :-) to overthrow a > leader. None of that is unheard of. > > However, what we have now is a balance in place. There is a de jure > authority, that has appointed maintainers and can occasionally request > inserts or removes to be made in the interest of the project as a whole. > That power is kept in check by the community collective power to fork. A single ultimate authority is not a balance of power. And therein lies the difference between your perception of the GNU project and mine. You see it as the all-powerful being that will intervene whenever there is imbalance in this universe. I see it as a custodian of our copyright that should have the resources to fight on our behalf if our rights are violated. > Now, what some seem to wish for is unchecked, absolute power for the > community, which, given the selective application of the non-unanimity > motto, means absolute power for a few leaders, who could then deviate > from GNU however much they like. Who suggested deviation from GNU in this thread? Do you realize the gravity of accusing people of conspiring to deviate from GNU? >> I do not see any merit in that silly joke so disagreeing with him and >> asking him for a justification or a modification does not constitute >> an insult. > > Consider "I do not see any merit in your silly argument so disagreeing > with you and asking you for a justification or a modification does not > constitute an insult. I'll just strike your argument out of the records > and proceed." Please revisit my critique of the joke. I called it silly here and not during the discussion. Also, I've called the joke silly here, not him. Also do read the discussion that I am having with RMS, it is decidedly more grown up than you seem to think, maybe because you see him as a deity who must not be questioned, only cajoled and worshiped. >> Also, please stop trying to defend RMS, I'm sure he is capable of >> doing that for himself. > > Wow, really? If we weren't all on the same side, I might almost mistake > that as "don't help him, you're making it harder for us to beat him up!" > > Do you realize suppression of dissent and isolation of opponents are > features of authoritarian regimes? Read my whole statement. I said your defence of RMS is making *him* look bad because you're busy projecting him as a deity. He doesn't appear as thin skinned as you seem to think (or maybe has has the ability to rebound) because he seems to be back and making more coherent arguments elsewhere in the thread. Siddhesh