From: Adhemerval Zanella <adhemerval.zanella@linaro.org>
To: Zack Weinberg <zackw@panix.com>
Cc: Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>,
Adhemerval Zanella via Libc-alpha <libc-alpha@sourceware.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC 0/4] Make strsignal and strerror async-signal-safe
Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 13:42:05 -0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <836fa103-5402-5838-d556-883374201142@linaro.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKCAbMi4=1yyhOWvDan9rdqfVuL_kg089v966NziP7pN=EGEVA@mail.gmail.com>
On 14/05/2020 12:11, Zack Weinberg wrote:
> On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 8:47 AM Adhemerval Zanella via Libc-alpha
> <libc-alpha@sourceware.org> wrote:
>> On 14/05/2020 09:05, Florian Weimer wrote:
>>> * Adhemerval Zanella via Libc-alpha:
>>>
>>>> 2. Avoid to try translate the returned message.
>>>
>>> No more translation is a significant change. Is this really
>>> appropriate?
>>>
>>> Using strerror output in translated strings is very common:
>>>
>>> <https://codesearch.debian.net/search?q=_%5C%28.*strerror&literal=0>
>>
>> I take that once we have proper symbols that provides the translation
>> functionality, making them async-signal-safe is an welcome improvement.
>>
>> The glibc itself uses the __sys_* access on libSegFault due this
>> shortcoming. And I am not if other programs are really aware of
>> the shortcoming of the always translatable error strings.
>
> I think I'm with Florian here. There is lots of existing code that
> expects strerror() to translate, and _most_ of the time it's not being
> called from an async signal handler, making everyone change their code
> to use strerror_l (and get a locale_t to use it with) just to get back
> the behavior they're used to seems like too much churn.
Alright, I took this semantic change would to make them async-signal-safe
allow to be more beneficial in the long term (in both code complexity and
more concise API) but looks like we should go to newer symbols instead.
>
> It would be nice if there was a way for strerror to detect that it
> wasn't safe for it to call dcgettext or allocate memory. In principle
> we ought to be able to try-lock the "I might need to initialize the
> global locale now" lock but, looking at the guts of dcgettext, there's
> several different locks involved and it's not clear to me that we
> could make this work without a major overhaul of libintl.
>
> (Giant-hammer idea: have sigaction wrap all signal handlers with a
> routine that sets a thread-local flag while calling the signal
> handler. siglongjmp and swapcontext would need to restore this flag.)
The sigaction wrap was a suggestion I proposed to Florian some time ago
as a way to detect a code was running in a signal handler. FreeBSB does
this for the its libpthread analogous and its adds some complexity
(it uses a static list and it requires some locking to handle concurrent
access), but I think it should be feasible.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-05-14 16:42 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-05-13 20:26 Adhemerval Zanella
2020-05-13 20:26 ` [RFC 1/4] string: Make strsignal async-signal-safe Adhemerval Zanella
2020-05-14 7:15 ` Andreas Schwab
2020-05-13 20:26 ` [RFC 2/4] string: Add strsignal_l Adhemerval Zanella
2020-05-14 0:16 ` Joseph Myers
2020-05-13 20:26 ` [RFC 3/4] string: Make strerror async-signal-safe Adhemerval Zanella
2020-05-14 7:12 ` Andreas Schwab
2020-05-13 20:26 ` [RFC 4/4] string: Move strerror_l pointer to tls_internal.h Adhemerval Zanella
2020-05-14 12:05 ` [RFC 0/4] Make strsignal and strerror async-signal-safe Florian Weimer
2020-05-14 12:47 ` Adhemerval Zanella
2020-05-14 15:11 ` Zack Weinberg
2020-05-14 16:42 ` Adhemerval Zanella [this message]
2020-05-14 18:39 ` Florian Weimer
2020-05-14 15:16 ` Florian Weimer
2020-05-14 16:28 ` Adhemerval Zanella
2020-05-14 16:40 ` Florian Weimer
2020-05-14 16:46 ` Adhemerval Zanella
2020-05-14 16:51 ` Florian Weimer
2020-05-14 16:55 ` Adhemerval Zanella
2020-05-14 17:02 ` Florian Weimer
2020-05-14 17:34 ` Adhemerval Zanella
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