From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1316 invoked by alias); 23 Apr 2016 12:14:15 -0000 Mailing-List: contact libc-alpha-help@sourceware.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: libc-alpha-owner@sourceware.org Received: (qmail 129630 invoked by uid 89); 23 Apr 2016 12:14:13 -0000 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; auth=none X-Virus-Found: No X-Spam-SWARE-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,KAM_LAZY_DOMAIN_SECURITY,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 spammy=alpine, Alpine, elegant, dominant X-HELO: albireo.enyo.de From: Florian Weimer To: Pander Cc: Mike Frysinger , libc-alpha@sourceware.org Subject: Re: [PATCH] localedata: en_NL: new English in the Netherlands locale [BZ #14085] References: <1461298610-19221-1-git-send-email-vapier@gentoo.org> <87a8klk4jp.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de> <20160422212338.GG5369@vapier.lan> <0C28F4FA-7780-4DFD-90E8-054AFE1D7346@users.sourceforge.net> Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 12:14:00 -0000 In-Reply-To: <0C28F4FA-7780-4DFD-90E8-054AFE1D7346@users.sourceforge.net> (pander@users.sourceforge.net's message of "Sat, 23 Apr 2016 00:27:04 +0200") Message-ID: <87r3dwjzec.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-SW-Source: 2016-04/txt/msg00582.txt.bz2 > I understand you are playing the devils advocate. Thanks for > that. Suppose that for all territories English is added, that will, at > a maximum, double the number of locales, only once. > > That is manageable. Computers nowadays can handle that amount with > ease. The current dominant criticism of glibc is related to installation size (search for Docker and Alpine Linux if you aren't aware). As always, the situation is more complex than some of the reports suggest, but adding a few dozen megabytes to the installation is probably not such a good idea. > At the moment, remixing LC sections is not supported by any of the > main GNU/Linux installers or by command line configuration tools or by > configuration tools for GNOME, KDE, etc. Not quite true. It was supported in KDE; it had a separate selector for LC_MESSAGES at least. The KDE people removed it at one point because there was no need. If they have not added it back yet, I think this shows this feature is not actually needed, and neither are English locale variants. I don't want glibc to be the place where contested decisions by desktop environments are worked around. If the people actually working on end user interfaces determine that mixed locale settings are not needed, who are we to second-guess them? They have many more interactions with such users than we do. > As long as no progress is made in usability in installers and > configuration tools, I would see fit that en_NL is added. It can > always be removed if more elegant alternatives become available. If the locale has actual users, we can't remove it that easily.