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Eigler" , Overseers mailing list , Mark Wielaard , Joseph Myers , gcc@gcc.gnu.org, binutils@sourceware.org, gdb@sourceware.org, libc-alpha@sourceware.org Subject: Re: Updated Sourceware infrastructure plans In-Reply-To: (Jason Merrill's message of "Mon, 22 Apr 2024 22:55:59 -0400") References: <20240417232725.GC25080@gnu.wildebeest.org> <20240418173726.GD9069@redhat.com> <87v849qudy.fsf@tromey.com> X-Attribution: Tom Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2024 21:24:29 -0600 Message-ID: <87wmooep76.fsf@tromey.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box5379.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - sourceware.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - tromey.com X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 97.122.86.252 X-Source-L: No X-Exim-ID: 1rz6lk-000RBt-2z X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: 97-122-86-252.hlrn.qwest.net (prentzel) [97.122.86.252]:46946 X-Source-Auth: tom+tromey.com X-Email-Count: 9 X-Org: HG=bhshared;ORG=bluehost; X-Source-Cap: ZWx5bnJvYmk7ZWx5bnJvYmk7Ym94NTM3OS5ibHVlaG9zdC5jb20= X-Local-Domain: yes X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4xfBGQ1t9ZakbLdRGOUcukSLI+vp3rTbG3u27ktKxZ2EUi1wNGkNPtKPVHTQalnf/acVOqvK8DK6Yt/OsFLRQ76/9n8JugOiI7rNqN1OW7peayoOHaaMRN IYmUmPh6n+f+qWeweno49LxngDZkqOR/VHcr/pg/eAPMQ44Ay6stoWYKF+dT3kDI6We3DykzvgV9OfPaNq2kj7lKagrNa4RzQyM= X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3015.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,JMQ_SPF_NEUTRAL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,TXREP autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on server2.sourceware.org List-Id: Jason> Someone mentioned earlier that gerrit was previously tried Jason> unsuccessfully. We tried it and gdb and then abandoned it. We tried to integrate it into the traditional gdb development style, having it send email to gdb-patches. I found these somewhat hard to read and in the end we agreed not to use it. I've come around again to thinking we should probably abandon email instead. For me the main benefit is that gerrit has patch tracking, unlike our current system, where losing patches is fairly routine. Jason> I think this is a common pattern in GCC at least: someone has an Jason> idea for a workflow improvement, and gets it working, but it Jason> isn't widely adopted. It essentially has to be mandated, IMO. For GCC this seems somewhat harder since the community is larger, so there's more people to convince. Tom