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[198.84.170.103]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z68sm5880309qke.113.2020.07.01.09.15.42 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 01 Jul 2020 09:15:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Rename "master" branch to "main"? To: DJ Delorie Cc: libc-alpha@sourceware.org References: From: Carlos O'Donell Organization: Red Hat Message-ID: <8b35a8fb-031e-9be5-12f4-65c507a383cd@redhat.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 12:15:41 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US X-Mimecast-Spam-Score: 0 X-Mimecast-Originator: redhat.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH, DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, DKIM_VALID_EF, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS, TXREP autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: libc-alpha@sourceware.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Libc-alpha mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2020 16:15:52 -0000 On 6/30/20 6:59 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: > "Carlos O'Donell via Libc-alpha" writes: >> My proposal would be to rename the development and current release branch: >> >> * master -> main >> >> * release/2.32/master -> release/2.32/main > > I will pose the unpopular opinion that the cost of this change[1] is > higher than the value of the change. A group of people have identified problematic language. Without judgement, consider their request, and accept that what they tell you is their truth, that the language *is* problematic to them and that you have the capability to make a change and be more inclusive to this group. Changing the branches is easy. Yes it has costs, but those costs are limited in scope. Problematic language will *never end* and it will always be our responsibility to listen to people who are impacted by such language and then decide if we act or not. We as a community choose how we act. I would not go forward with any change that lacks consensus. I accept that some people will have objections. Some developers have applied their own metrics and evaluated the value to be below the threshold for action. My opinion is that such evaluations are far more complex to make than people would like to admit, and that such valuations are not required to decide on an action. The choice is one of either supporting the inclusion of the group claiming the language to be problematic or choosing not to be inclusive of that group and their request. I find the strongest argument for inaction is made by Adhemerval [1]. That the current optics of this change can draw negative toxic attention to the project and cause problems for existing developers who do not deserve such toxicity. My only response to this is that as a Steward I would not stand for any such toxicity on this list or in the community and would immediately and decisively act to remove it. Having said that, there are a lot of digital places I have no influence or control over. Feel free to judge me on my past inaction, particularly with regards to the abort cartouche changes; with my only defense being that we did act in the end. I do not plan to repeat the same mistakes. The name of the branch doesn't matter to me, but it matters to someone else, and that's what matters. I am willing to exert effort to change this, just like I'm willing to exert effort to mentor new people [2]. -- Cheers, Carlos. [1] https://sourceware.org/pipermail/libc-alpha/2020-July/115628.html [2] https://twitter.com/jomarnz/status/1278043085151309835 John Marshall: Thanks much and sorry for cheating by asking you here on twitter! Had a colleague naysaying POSIX’s random() description because of what it said in his stdlib.h, so it’s good to fix even this minor documentation. https://twitter.com/CarlosODonell/status/1278056404029407235 Carlos O'Donell: I want new contributors to have a positive experience. I can only do that if I review and accept patches. Thank you for reaching out. It is absolutely not cheating :-)