Re: Is it OK to write ASCII strings directly into locale source files?

[Carlos O'Donell <carlos@redhat.com>]

On 07/24/2017 09:28 AM, Mike FABIAN wrote:
> Carlos O'Donell <carlos@redhat.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 07/24/2017 09:09 AM, Mike FABIAN wrote:
>>>
>>> Currently the locale source files use a lot of code points even for
>>> strings which are pure ASCII. For example localedata/locales/de_DE
>>> contains:
>>>
>>> %	"%a %d %b %Y %T %Z"
>>> d_t_fmt
>>> "<U0025><U0061><U0020><U0025><U0064><U0020><U0025><U0062><U0020><U0025><U0059><U0020><U0025><U0054><U0020><U0025><U005A>"
>>>
>>> Would it be OK to write this as
>>>
>>> d_t_fmt "%a %d %b %Y %T %Z"
>>>
>>> ??
>>>
>>> This would make the files much more readable.
>>>
>>> Stuff that is mostly ASCII can probably be written like this:
>>>
>>> % https://oc.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7a França
>>> country_name "Fran<U00E7>a"
>>>
>>> which is already more readable then writing it all in <U00??> code points.
>>>
>>> It would be even nicer to write it completely in UTF-8, i.e.:
>>>
>>> country_name "França"
>>>
>>> but I am not sure whether this is allowed in the locale source files.
>>>
>>> But at least for everything which is ASCII, it might be OK already to
>>> write the characters directly.
>>>
>>> Is writing ASCII there allowed or not??
>>  
>> It's not ASCII though is it? Since '<' and '>' have to be reserved
>> to support parsing of UTF-8 code points, so it's "almost ASCII."
>>
>> I'm ok using 'almost' ASCII characters as their 1-byte UTF-8 form
>> instead of the verbose code-points, but we need to document exactly
>> which characters are allowed. I believe the answer is everything
>> except '<>'.
>>
>> I'm not entirely ready to allow all UTF-8, since that descends into
>> the much more complex discussion around NFC, NFKC, NFD, NFKD etc. and
>> which form should be used. Then there are discussions around uniqueness
>> of decomposition and exactly what did the source author want.
>>
>> So let us start slowly and agree with 'ASCII - [<>]' where < denotes
>> the start of a code point and > the end of the code point.
> 
> Yes, that sounds like a very reasonable first step!
> 
> Is it OK to use that already *now*?

You and Rafal are localedata maintainers, you can assume consensus, therefore
you can start changing things in whatever way you wish.

Before you change this though I would like to see your list of reasons
for making the change, what benefits do you see it bringing? Is readability
the only one?

> Or is any change necessary to make that work?

I do not know.

> I tried
> 
> country_name "Fran<U00E7>a"
> 
> and it seems to work:
> 
> bash-4.4# LC_ALL=oc_FR.UTF-8 locale -k country_name
> country_name="França"
> 
> So maybe it is possible to use that right now without having to change
> anything in the code parsing the locale source files.
 
You need to document somewhere what is acceptable and what is not and
which ASCII characters cannot be used.

-- 
Cheers,
Carlos.