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From: Martin Buchholz <martinrb@google.com>
To: Zack Weinberg <zackw@panix.com>
Cc: adhemerval.zanella@linaro.org, GNU C Library <libc-alpha@sourceware.org>
Subject: Re: system and popen fail in case of big application
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 19:46:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CA+kOe0-CvUou3Au4y+niES8OnspG==mVE6YKbQXpAZ-wmcPPDw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKCAbMjssik6MQYtn6_6a0sCDFGsOTSsg_ogbkENTA6Nu-kN5Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 9:29 AM, Zack Weinberg <zackw@panix.com> wrote:
> I don't want to encourage people to use posix_spawn because
> posix_spawn is a badly designed API.  It's difficult to use correctly.
> It's *tedious* to use correctly, which means people won't bother.  It
> can't do everything you might want to do on the child side (witness
> the discussion of adding an extension to let it do chdir()).  Its
> behavior in case of errors is underspecified.  And it might be
> implemented in terms of fork, which means it doesn't guarantee to
> solve Sergey's problem.

I seem to be in agreement with Zack's eloquent post.  From java's
point of view, we need to avoid the momentary doubling of memory
caused by fork()ing a huge process, and we need to be able to specify
a working directory for the child.  One strategy is to use posix_spawn
to start a small helper process which then in turn execs the real
child after necessary set up (including chdir).

  reply	other threads:[~2018-09-12 19:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-09-09 22:16 Sergey Melnikov
2018-09-09 22:44 ` Zack Weinberg
2018-09-09 22:47   ` Zack Weinberg
2018-09-09 23:27     ` Sergey Melnikov
2018-09-09 23:49       ` Zack Weinberg
2018-09-10  2:50         ` Martin Buchholz
2018-09-10 15:38       ` Joseph Myers
2018-09-10 15:42         ` Zack Weinberg
2018-09-10 15:43           ` Joseph Myers
     [not found]       ` <CA+kOe0_1k_PbJ-pjHznP4AmTJUgziAdT+4vCcCRSb7GGdvbv7Q@mail.gmail.com>
2018-09-10 15:59         ` Zack Weinberg
2018-09-10 16:55           ` Martin Buchholz
2018-09-11 20:16   ` Adhemerval Zanella
2018-09-12 16:30     ` Zack Weinberg
2018-09-12 19:46       ` Martin Buchholz [this message]
2018-09-13  1:27         ` Adhemerval Zanella
2018-09-13  6:31           ` Andreas Schwab
2018-09-13 12:30             ` Adhemerval Zanella
2018-09-18  1:18           ` Martin Buchholz
2018-09-18  1:59             ` Adhemerval Zanella
2018-09-18  2:18               ` Martin Buchholz
2018-09-18  4:31               ` Rich Felker
2018-09-12 23:08       ` Adhemerval Zanella
2018-09-13 12:11       ` Szabolcs Nagy
2018-09-14 18:42         ` Zack Weinberg
2018-09-17 10:32           ` Szabolcs Nagy
2018-09-17 18:27             ` Adhemerval Zanella

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