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Eigler" , Overseers mailing list , Mark Wielaard , Joseph Myers , gcc@gcc.gnu.org, binutils@sourceware.org, gdb@sourceware.org, libc-alpha@sourceware.org X-Mimecast-Spam-Score: 0 X-Mimecast-Originator: redhat.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000fbed3b0616bb763e" X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIMWL_WL_HIGH,DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_NONE,TXREP autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on server2.sourceware.org List-Id: --000000000000fbed3b0616bb763e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Apr 22, 2024 at 11:24=E2=80=AFPM Tom Tromey wrote: > Jason> Someone mentioned earlier that gerrit was previously tried > Jason> unsuccessfully. > > We tried it and gdb and then abandoned it. We tried to integrate it > into the traditional gdb development style, having it send email to > gdb-patches. I found these somewhat hard to read and in the end we > agreed not to use it. > > I've come around again to thinking we should probably abandon email > instead. For me the main benefit is that gerrit has patch tracking, > unlike our current system, where losing patches is fairly routine. > Indeed. Though Patchwork is another option for patch tracking, that glibc seem to be having success with. Jason> I think this is a common pattern in GCC at least: someone has an > Jason> idea for a workflow improvement, and gets it working, but it > Jason> isn't widely adopted. > > It essentially has to be mandated, IMO. > > For GCC this seems somewhat harder since the community is larger, so > there's more people to convince. > Absolutely, but now with the office hours it seems more feasible to build momentum (or see that there isn't enough support) without having to wait until Cauldron. Jason --000000000000fbed3b0616bb763e--