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Eigler" , Overseers mailing list , Mark Wielaard , Joseph Myers , gcc@gcc.gnu.org, binutils@sourceware.org, gdb@sourceware.org, libc-alpha@sourceware.org X-Mimecast-Spam-Score: 0 X-Mimecast-Originator: redhat.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000046ffcf0616bab20c" X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIMWL_WL_HIGH,DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_NONE,TXREP autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on server2.sourceware.org List-Id: --00000000000046ffcf0616bab20c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Apr 22, 2024 at 11:42=E2=80=AFAM Tom Tromey wrote: > >>>>> "Frank" =3D=3D Frank Ch Eigler writes: > > >> [...] I suggest that a basic principle for such a system is that it > >> should be *easy* to obtain and maintain a local copy of the history > >> of all pull requests. That includes all versions of a pull request, > >> if it gets rebased, and all versions of comments, if the system > >> allows editing comments. A system that uses git as the source of > >> truth for all the pull request data and has refs [...] > > Frank> Do you know of a system with these characteristics? > > Based on: > > > https://gerrit-review.googlesource.com/Documentation/dev-design.html#_not= edb > > ... it sounds like this is what gerrit does. > Someone mentioned earlier that gerrit was previously tried unsuccessfully. I think this is a common pattern in GCC at least: someone has an idea for a workflow improvement, and gets it working, but it isn't widely adopted. I think this is a problem with the "if you build it he will come" model rather than with any particular technology; people are more or less comfortable with their current workflow and uninclined to experiment with someone else's new thing, even if it could eventually be a big improvement. I think that the office hours, for both sourceware and the toolchain, offer a better path for building enthusiasm about a new direction. Is gerrit still installed? Jason --00000000000046ffcf0616bab20c--