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From: Noah Goldstein <goldstein.w.n@gmail.com>
To: Adhemerval Zanella <adhemerval.zanella@linaro.org>
Cc: GNU C Library <libc-alpha@sourceware.org>,
	Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 9/9] manual: Add documentation for arc4random functions
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2022 15:05:13 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAFUsyfKjXPg5GtQjkwdLyth1025NMwLntzKC3w=eCuDCR5S+Dg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1471BD6A-8680-41E9-9FE5-B1DC45940264@linaro.org>

On Wed, Jun 29, 2022 at 2:53 PM Adhemerval Zanella
<adhemerval.zanella@linaro.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 29 Jun 2022, at 18:45, Noah Goldstein <goldstein.w.n@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 29, 2022 at 2:36 PM Adhemerval Zanella via Libc-alpha
> > <libc-alpha@sourceware.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> ---
> >> manual/math.texi | 45 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >> 1 file changed, 45 insertions(+)
> >>
> >> diff --git a/manual/math.texi b/manual/math.texi
> >> index 477a18b6d1..ab96726e57 100644
> >> --- a/manual/math.texi
> >> +++ b/manual/math.texi
> >> @@ -1447,6 +1447,7 @@ systems.
> >> * ISO Random:: @code{rand} and friends.
> >> * BSD Random:: @code{random} and friends.
> >> * SVID Random:: @code{drand48} and friends.
> >> +* High Quality Random:: @code{arc4random} and friends.
> >> @end menu
> >>
> >> @node ISO Random
> >> @@ -1985,6 +1986,50 @@ This function is a GNU extension and should not be used in portable
> >> programs.
> >> @end deftypefun
> >>
> >> +@node High Quality Random
> >> +@subsection High Quality Random Number Functions
> >> +
> >> +This section describes the random number functions provided as a GNU
> >> +extension, based on OpenBSD interfaces.
> >> +
> >> +@Theglibc{} uses kernel entropy obtained either through @code{getrandom}
> >> +or by reading @file{/dev/urandom} to seed and periodically re-seed the
> >> +internal state. A per-thread data pool is used, which allows fast output
> >> +generation.
> >> +
> >
> > Are we committing to per-thread data pools? I thought there were ideas to
> > use rseq.
>
> For this version yes, since it works on all supported kernels (even for the
> ones without getentropy support) and on all architectures.  I do not know how
> feasible it would be to implement per-cpu caches along with rseq and it would
> require a fallback for older kernel (most likely a per-thread cache as this
> version), although it might be future improvement.

I guess do we want to explicitly say per-thread buffer if we may want
to experiment
with something else?

Just seems like the kind of thing that might make it impossible to re-implement
another way.

What about something like:

"The data-pool is implemented to minimize cross-core contention
allowing fast output generation"?

  reply	other threads:[~2022-06-29 22:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-06-29 21:34 [PATCH v8 0/9] Add arc4random support Adhemerval Zanella
2022-06-29 21:34 ` [PATCH v8 1/9] stdlib: Add arc4random, arc4random_buf, and arc4random_uniform (BZ #4417) Adhemerval Zanella
2022-07-12  8:57   ` Florian Weimer
2022-07-12 16:57     ` Adhemerval Zanella Netto
2022-07-12 17:15       ` Florian Weimer
2022-07-12 17:21         ` Adhemerval Zanella Netto
2022-06-29 21:34 ` [PATCH v8 2/9] stdlib: Add arc4random tests Adhemerval Zanella
2022-07-12  9:20   ` Florian Weimer
2022-07-12 17:17     ` Adhemerval Zanella Netto
2022-06-29 21:34 ` [PATCH v8 3/9] benchtests: Add arc4random benchtest Adhemerval Zanella
2022-07-12  9:29   ` Florian Weimer
2022-07-12 17:26     ` Adhemerval Zanella Netto
2022-06-29 21:34 ` [PATCH v8 4/9] aarch64: Add optimized chacha20 Adhemerval Zanella
2022-07-12  9:30   ` Florian Weimer
2022-06-29 21:34 ` [PATCH v8 5/9] x86: Add SSE2 " Adhemerval Zanella
2022-06-29 21:34 ` [PATCH v8 6/9] x86: Add AVX2 " Adhemerval Zanella
2022-06-29 21:34 ` [PATCH v8 7/9] powerpc64: Add " Adhemerval Zanella
2022-06-29 21:34 ` [PATCH v8 8/9] s390x: " Adhemerval Zanella
2022-06-29 21:34 ` [PATCH v8 9/9] manual: Add documentation for arc4random functions Adhemerval Zanella
2022-06-29 21:45   ` Noah Goldstein
2022-06-29 21:53     ` Adhemerval Zanella
2022-06-29 22:05       ` Noah Goldstein [this message]
2022-06-30  7:58         ` Yann Droneaud
2022-06-30 19:37         ` Adhemerval Zanella
2022-06-29 21:55   ` Adhemerval Zanella
2022-07-12  9:31 ` [PATCH v8 0/9] Add arc4random support Florian Weimer
2022-07-12 17:36   ` Adhemerval Zanella Netto

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