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From: Alistair Francis <alistair23@gmail.com>
To: Christian Brauner <christian@brauner.io>
Cc: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>, Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org>,
	 Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Alistair Francis <alistair.francis@wdc.com>,
	 GNU C Library <libc-alpha@sourceware.org>,
	 Adhemerval Zanella <adhemerval.zanella@linaro.org>,
	Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>,
	 Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@sifive.com>,
	macro@wdc.com, Zong Li <zongbox@gmail.com>,
	 Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	 "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC v3 03/23] sysdeps/wait: Use waitid if avaliable
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 22:25:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAKmqyKMJPQAOKn11xepzAwXOd4e9dU0Cyz=A0T-uMEgUp5yJjA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <72291182-11E1-49C2-9608-875FD9473719@brauner.io>

On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 10:30 AM Christian Brauner <christian@brauner.io> wrote:
>
> On July 25, 2019 7:14:05 PM GMT+02:00, ebiederm@xmission.com wrote:
> >Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de> writes:
> >
> >> On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 6:40 AM Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org> wrote:
> >>> On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 05:04:53PM -0700, Alistair Francis wrote:
> >>> > On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 1:45 AM Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
> >wrote:
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Sounds good to me, the debate over what rusage to use should not
> >hold
> >>> > > up the review of the rest of that syscall.
> >>> >
> >>> > I'm unclear what the final decision is here. What is the solution
> >are
> >>> > we going to have wait4() or add P_PROCESS_PGID to waitid()?
> >>> >
> >>> > As well as that what is the solution to current implementations?
> >If we
> >>> > add wait4() then there isn't an issue (and I can drop this patch)
> >but
> >>> > if we add P_PROCESS_PGID then we will need a way to handle kernels
> >>> > with waitid() but no P_PROCESS_PGID. Although my new plan is to
> >only
> >>> > use the waitid syscall if we don't have waitpid or wait4 so it
> >seems
> >>> > like this will only affect RV32 for the time being.
> >>>
> >>> I would really like some indication which solution will be taken,
> >>> since it impacts choices that will need to be made in musl very
> >soon.
> >>> My favorite outcome would be bringing back wait4 for rv32 (and
> >>> no-time32 archs in general) *and* adding P_PROCESS_PGID. In the
> >short
> >>> term, just using wait4 would be the simplest and cleanest for us
> >(same
> >>> as all other archs, no extra case to deal with), but in the long
> >term
> >>> there may be value in having rusage that can represent more than 68
> >>> cpu-years spent by a process (seems plausible with large numbers of
> >>> cores).
> >>
> >> Based on the feedback from Linus and Eric, the most likely outcome
> >> at the moment seems to be an extension of waitid() to allow
> >> P_PGID with id=0 like BSD does, and not bring back wait4() or
> >> add P_PROCESS_PGID.
> >>
> >> So far, I don't think anyone has proposed an actual kernel patch.
> >> I was hoping that Eric would do it, but I could also send it if he's
> >> otherwise busy.
> >
> >So here is what I am looking at.  It still needs to be tested
> >and the description needs to be improved so that it properly credits
> >everyone.  However I think I have the major stroeks correct.
> >
> >From: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
> >Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 07:44:46 -0500
> >Subject: [PATCH] waitid: Add support for waiting for the current
> >process group
> >
> >It was recently discovered that the linux version of waitid is not a
> >superset of the other wait functions because it does not include
> >support for waiting for the current process group.  This has two
> >downsides.  An extra system call is needed to get the current process
> >group, and a signal could come in between the system call that
> >retrieved the process gorup and the call to waitid that changes the
> >current process group.
> >
> >Allow userspace to avoid both of those issues by defining
> >idtype == P_PGID and id == 0 to mean wait for the caller's process
> >group at the time of the call.
> >
> >Arguments can be made for using a different choice of idtype and id
> >for this case but the BSDs already use this P_PGID and 0 to indicate
> >waiting for the current process's process group.  So be nice to user
> >space programmers and don't introduce an unnecessary incompatibility.
> >
> >Some people have noted that the posix description is that
> >waitpid will wait for the current process group, and that in
> >the presence of pthreads that process group can change.  To get
> >clarity on this issue I looked at XNU, FreeBSD, and Luminos.  All of
> >those flavors of unix waited for the current process group at the
> >time of call and as written could not adapt to the process group
> >changing after the call.
> >
> >At one point Linux did adapt to the current process group changing but
> >that stopped in 161550d74c07 ("pid: sys_wait... fixes").  It has been
> >over 11 years since Linux has that behavior, no programs that fail
> >with the change in behavior have been reported, and I could not
> >find any other unix that does this.  So I think it is safe to clarify
> >the definition of current process group, to current process group
> >at the time of the wait function.
> >
> >Signed-off-by: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
> >---
> > kernel/exit.c | 6 ++++--
> > 1 file changed, 4 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
> >
> >diff --git a/kernel/exit.c b/kernel/exit.c
> >index a75b6a7f458a..3d86930f035e 100644
> >--- a/kernel/exit.c
> >+++ b/kernel/exit.c
> >@@ -1577,14 +1577,16 @@ static long kernel_waitid(int which, pid_t
> >upid, struct waitid_info *infop,
> >               break;
> >       case P_PGID:
> >               type = PIDTYPE_PGID;
> >-              if (upid <= 0)
> >+              if (upid < 0)
> >                       return -EINVAL;
> >+              if (upid == 0)
> >+                      pid = get_pid(task_pgrp(current));
> >               break;
> >       default:
> >               return -EINVAL;
> >       }
> >
> >-      if (type < PIDTYPE_MAX)
> >+      if ((type < PIDTYPE_MAX) && !pid)
> >               pid = find_get_pid(upid);
> >
> >       wo.wo_type      = type;
>
> Eric, mind if I send this out alongside the P_PIDFD patchset and put in a test for it?

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>
> Christian

  reply	other threads:[~2019-08-13 22:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 127+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-07-17  0:11 [RFC v3 00/23] RISC-V glibc port for the 32-bit Alistair Francis
2019-07-17  0:11 ` [RFC v3 01/23] sysdeps/nanosleep: Use clock_nanosleep_time64 if avaliable Alistair Francis
2019-07-17  5:16   ` Florian Weimer
2019-07-19 17:29     ` Alistair Francis
2019-07-20 14:24       ` Stepan Golosunov
2019-07-22 21:17         ` Alistair Francis
2019-07-17  0:11 ` [RFC v3 04/23] sysdeps/clock_gettime: Use clock_gettime64 " Alistair Francis
2019-07-17  5:39   ` Florian Weimer
2019-07-17  8:04     ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-07-17  8:44       ` Florian Weimer
2019-07-17  9:10         ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-07-17 15:16           ` Florian Weimer
2019-07-18  7:39             ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-07-18  8:19               ` Florian Weimer
2019-07-18  9:15                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-07-18 18:10                 ` Adhemerval Zanella
2019-07-19 21:06     ` Alistair Francis
2019-07-17  7:03   ` Andreas Schwab
2019-07-17 12:37   ` Lukasz Majewski
2019-07-17  0:11 ` [RFC v3 02/23] sysdeps/gettimeofday: " Alistair Francis
2019-07-17  7:09   ` Florian Weimer
2019-07-20  3:21     ` Rich Felker
2019-07-25 20:54       ` Joseph Myers
2019-07-17 12:43   ` Lukasz Majewski
2019-07-17 12:48     ` Lukasz Majewski
2019-07-19 22:29     ` Alistair Francis
2019-07-17  0:11 ` [RFC v3 03/23] sysdeps/wait: Use waitid " Alistair Francis
2019-07-17  5:31   ` Florian Weimer
2019-07-19 17:52     ` Alistair Francis
2019-07-22 15:58       ` Florian Weimer
2019-07-22 21:06         ` Alistair Francis
2019-07-21  4:03   ` Rich Felker
2019-07-21  4:20     ` Rich Felker
2019-07-21 11:59       ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-07-21 23:00         ` Rich Felker
2019-07-21  7:57     ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-07-21 12:15       ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-07-21 12:28         ` Christian Brauner
2019-07-21 14:31         ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-07-21 15:45           ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-07-21 17:06             ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-07-21 17:22             ` Linus Torvalds
2019-07-21 21:40               ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-07-21 23:24                 ` Rich Felker
2019-07-23  0:01                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-07-23  8:12                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-07-23  8:29                       ` Christian Brauner
2019-07-23  8:45                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-07-25  0:08                           ` Alistair Francis
2019-07-25  4:40                             ` Rich Felker
2019-07-25 13:23                               ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-07-25 16:06                                 ` Christian Brauner
2019-07-25 17:14                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-07-25 17:30                                   ` Christian Brauner
2019-08-13 22:25                                     ` Alistair Francis [this message]
2019-08-13 23:12                                       ` Rich Felker
2019-08-14  5:07                                         ` Christian Brauner
2019-08-14 11:40                                       ` [PATCH v1 0/1] waitid: process group enhancement christian.brauner
2019-08-14 11:40                                         ` [PATCH v1 1/1] waitid: Add support for waiting for the current process group christian.brauner
2019-08-14 12:29                                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-08-14 12:46                                             ` Christian Brauner
2019-08-14 12:50                                               ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-08-14 12:53                                                 ` Christian Brauner
2019-08-14 13:10                                       ` [PATCH v2 0/1] waitid: process group enhancement Christian Brauner
2019-08-14 13:10                                         ` [PATCH v2 1/1] waitid: Add support for waiting for the current process group Christian Brauner
2019-08-14 14:20                                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-08-14 14:35                                             ` Christian Brauner
2019-08-14 15:27                                               ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-08-14 15:30                                                 ` Christian Brauner
2019-08-14 15:46                                       ` [PATCH v3 0/1] waitid: process group enhancement Christian Brauner
2019-08-14 15:46                                         ` [PATCH v3 1/1] waitid: Add support for waiting for the current process group Christian Brauner
2019-08-14 16:09                                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-08-14 16:15                                             ` Christian Brauner
2019-08-14 16:34                                               ` Christian Brauner
2019-08-14 16:55                                                 ` Rich Felker
2019-08-14 17:02                                                   ` Christian Brauner
2019-08-14 17:06                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2019-08-14 18:00                                                     ` Rich Felker
2019-08-14 20:50                                             ` Christian Brauner
2019-08-14 15:58                                         ` [PATCH v3 0/1] waitid: process group enhancement Rich Felker
2019-08-14 16:13                                           ` Christian Brauner
2019-07-26 23:39                                   ` [RFC v3 03/23] sysdeps/wait: Use waitid if avaliable Alistair Francis
2019-07-17  0:11 ` [RFC v3 08/23] RISC-V: define __NR_futex as __NR_futex_time64 for 32-bit Alistair Francis
2019-07-17  0:12 ` [RFC v3 20/23] RISC-V: Build Infastructure for the 32-bit Alistair Francis
2019-07-17  0:12 ` [RFC v3 07/23] RISC-V: Use 64-bit time_t and off_t for RV32 and RV64 Alistair Francis
2019-07-17  8:27   ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-07-17 22:43     ` Alistair Francis
2019-07-18  7:41       ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-07-18 17:36         ` Alistair Francis
2019-07-19  6:44           ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-07-19 17:06             ` Alistair Francis
2019-07-17  0:12 ` [RFC v3 17/23] RISC-V: Hard float support for the 32 bit Alistair Francis
2019-07-17  0:12 ` [RFC v3 09/23] RISC-V: define __NR_* as __NR_*_time64/64 for 32-bit Alistair Francis
2019-07-17  0:12 ` [RFC v3 19/23] RISC-V: Add ABI lists Alistair Francis
2019-07-17  0:12 ` [RFC v3 23/23] RISC-V: Use 64-bit vdso syscalls Alistair Francis
2019-07-17  5:33   ` Florian Weimer
2019-07-17  8:02     ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-07-17 22:27       ` Alistair Francis
2019-07-17 23:46         ` Alistair Francis
2019-07-18  0:05           ` Alistair Francis
2019-07-17  0:12 ` [RFC v3 21/23] RISC-V: Fix llrint and llround missing exceptions on RV32 Alistair Francis
2019-07-17 12:22   ` Florian Weimer
2019-07-17 22:35     ` Alistair Francis
2019-07-17  0:12 ` [RFC v3 05/23] sysdeps/timespec_get: Use clock_gettime64 if avaliable Alistair Francis
2019-07-17  5:08   ` Florian Weimer
2019-07-17  7:59     ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-07-17  8:12       ` Florian Weimer
2019-07-17  8:23         ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-07-17  8:41           ` Florian Weimer
2019-07-17  8:54             ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-07-25 20:14       ` Joseph Myers
2019-07-17 12:23   ` Lukasz Majewski
2019-07-17  0:12 ` [RFC v3 10/23] RISC-V: define __NR_clock_getres as __NR_*_time64 for 32-bit Alistair Francis
2019-07-17  0:12 ` [RFC v3 12/23] RISC-V: define __vdso_clock_gettime as __vdso_clock_gettime64 " Alistair Francis
2019-07-17  8:16   ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-07-19 17:19     ` Alistair Francis
2019-07-17  0:12 ` [RFC v3 14/23] RISC-V: Support dynamic loader for the 32-bit Alistair Francis
2019-07-17  0:12 ` [RFC v3 11/23] RISC-V: define __vdso_clock_getres as __vdso_clock_getres_time64 for 32-bit Alistair Francis
2019-07-17  0:12 ` [RFC v3 15/23] RISC-V: Add path of library directories for the 32-bit Alistair Francis
2019-07-17 12:20   ` Florian Weimer
2019-07-17  0:12 ` [RFC v3 13/23] RISC-V: Use 64-bit timespec in clock_gettime vdso calls Alistair Francis
2019-07-17  8:14   ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-07-17  0:12 ` [RFC v3 18/23] RISC-V: Regenerate ULPs of RISC-V Alistair Francis
2019-07-17  0:12 ` [RFC v3 06/23] Documentation for the RISC-V 32-bit port Alistair Francis
2019-07-17  0:12 ` [RFC v3 16/23] RISC-V: The ABI implementation for the 32-bit Alistair Francis
2019-07-17  0:12 ` [RFC v3 22/23] Add RISC-V 32-bit target to build-many-glibcs.py Alistair Francis
2019-07-19 17:18 ` [RFC v3 00/23] RISC-V glibc port for the 32-bit Alistair Francis

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