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From: Wilco Dijkstra <Wilco.Dijkstra@arm.com>
To: Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org>, Jeff Law <law@redhat.com>
Cc: Szabolcs Nagy <Szabolcs.Nagy@arm.com>,
	Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>,
	James Greenhalgh <James.Greenhalgh@arm.com>, nd <nd@arm.com>,
	GNU C Library <libc-alpha@sourceware.org>,
	Richard Earnshaw <Richard.Earnshaw@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC] nptl: change default stack guard size of threads
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 13:08:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <HE1PR0801MB20587EC4BC33ECA696525E1683070@HE1PR0801MB2058.eurprd08.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171220044744.GV1627@brightrain.aerifal.cx>

Rich Felker wrote:
>On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 09:41:03PM -0700, Jeff Law wrote:

>> I've believed all along that stack clash probing as implemented by GCC
>> is pretty damn cheap -- cheap enough that we ought to just turn it on by
>> default and move on to other more useful work items.  And I hold that
>> position regardless of whether or not the guard is 4k or 64k.
>> 
>> 64k is marginally better simply because there's less probing,
>> particularly in a functions that allocate something like char array of
>> MAXPATHLEN entries.  Based on what I've looked at on a distro-wide
>> basis, MAXPATHLEN arrays on the stack are the single biggest reasons we
>> have to probe in prologues.
>
> They're also almost certainly indicative of the function making
> syscalls, in which case <10 instructions for a probe are completely
> dominated by the syscall time (hundreds if not thousands of times
> larger).

Note the stats Szabolcs collected showed here were several packages
where the percentage of functions requiring probes at a 4KB probe size
was over 20%.

The probes themselves also cause new pages to be allocated which
might not be used. This is the drawback of allocating all stack space for
the whole function in the prolog and then doing probes. There is also the
issue that shrinkwrapping still doesn't work that well - if there is a single
use of a callee-save register, you have to create a stack even on a fast
exit path that doesn't use the stack.

An option to reduce stack usage would be to automatically use alloca for
large allocations that may not always be used.

Wilco

  reply	other threads:[~2017-12-27 13:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-11-29 14:59 Szabolcs Nagy
2017-11-29 15:18 ` Florian Weimer
2017-11-29 18:17   ` Carlos O'Donell
2017-11-29 18:29     ` Rich Felker
2017-11-29 20:33       ` Florian Weimer
2017-11-29 18:40   ` Szabolcs Nagy
2017-11-29 20:44     ` Florian Weimer
2017-11-29 20:52       ` Rich Felker
2017-11-29 21:02         ` Florian Weimer
2017-11-29 23:13           ` Szabolcs Nagy
2017-12-05 10:55           ` James Greenhalgh
2017-12-06 12:51             ` Florian Weimer
2017-12-11 23:49             ` Jeff Law
2017-12-12 11:43               ` Szabolcs Nagy
2017-12-12 16:36                 ` Rich Felker
2017-12-12 18:07                   ` Szabolcs Nagy
2017-12-12 19:30               ` Florian Weimer
2017-12-13 11:58                 ` Szabolcs Nagy
2017-12-19 12:35             ` James Greenhalgh
2017-12-19 13:06               ` Florian Weimer
2017-12-19 18:21                 ` Szabolcs Nagy
2017-12-19 20:34                   ` Rich Felker
2017-12-20  4:42                     ` Jeff Law
2017-12-20  4:49                       ` Rich Felker
2017-12-27 13:08                         ` Wilco Dijkstra [this message]
2017-12-20  4:45                 ` Jeff Law
2017-11-29 22:28       ` Wilco Dijkstra
2017-11-29 22:38         ` Carlos O'Donell
2017-12-06 12:53           ` Florian Weimer
2017-12-06 13:10             ` Wilco Dijkstra
2017-12-06 13:13               ` Florian Weimer
2017-11-29 23:02         ` Rich Felker
2017-12-06 13:16         ` Florian Weimer
2017-12-06 13:40           ` Joseph Myers
2017-12-06 13:51             ` Florian Weimer
2017-12-06 14:44             ` Jeff Law
2017-12-06 14:27           ` Wilco Dijkstra
2017-12-06 20:41             ` Szabolcs Nagy
2017-12-06 21:24               ` Adhemerval Zanella
2017-12-06 22:08               ` Rich Felker
2017-12-08 18:28                 ` Szabolcs Nagy
2017-11-29 22:45       ` Szabolcs Nagy

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