From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from elastic.org (elastic.org [96.126.110.187]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 88C653858D28; Tue, 11 Oct 2022 18:12:25 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.1 sourceware.org 88C653858D28 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=pass (p=quarantine dis=none) header.from=elastic.org Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=elastic.org DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=elastic.org ; s=default2; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID: Subject:Cc:To:From:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=shaW1FOmwhlyIEuuxyo+OSK2sbxlzGavgwvco9USDAM=; b=DoRG1a6NlQdLxy65rbNK/rUWak 1KqQqIpXw2OM4bSLuZtnxTK3MWVljp0JnfeUo+ezBbw/xkWlkiqGburoREipDgUH8H+DvLOJ6cexo UnGTmu1BblOh6hw3f7uW6y0GHVWNty934sK2BF1+ram3ciPHoehwEE7uSNvdy3Ek8nZAVMqDyL6Xw fZt+6e15OONkJLWMVez9ewbDpwweb8MXpKSOGiFbOccgDWSixFUK7xpq7eg0JTDvp8bUDNSjI+3/2 +su1cNEocSDY+kgQKs9QIwcFnOTZgx+QoEJlOFnfAQ8+CfA1V/7ki+soqYnAiXlKJa5iiaPG8YR4O hIoYDA/Q==; Received: from vpn-home.elastic.org ([10.0.0.2] helo=elastic.org) by elastic.org with esmtps (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.96) (envelope-from ) id 1oiJjs-0007EJ-2W; Tue, 11 Oct 2022 18:12:24 +0000 Received: from very.elastic.org ([192.168.1.1]) by elastic.org with esmtp (Exim 4.96) (envelope-from ) id 1oiJjs-000LYD-1q; Tue, 11 Oct 2022 14:12:24 -0400 Received: from fche by very.elastic.org with local (Exim 4.96) (envelope-from ) id 1oiJjs-001T7j-1d; Tue, 11 Oct 2022 14:12:24 -0400 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2022 14:12:24 -0400 From: "Frank Ch. Eigler" To: Overseers mailing list Cc: Alexandre Oliva , David Edelsohn , gcc@gcc.gnu.org, libc-alpha@sourceware.org, gdb@sourceware.org, Mark Wielaard , binutils@sourceware.org Subject: Re: The GNU Toolchain Infrastructure Project Message-ID: References: <6f6d141b-b776-8707-2c91-dc38d20aa9e1@gotplt.org> <20221004171007.oc2ot6eu6l24aipn@cgf.cx> <05b0f7fa-7077-5a8b-0c2f-dfb3068dd10f@gotplt.org> <517db8de93ece0eb81923fd05a731ca1da65e1dd.camel@klomp.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Sender-Verification: "" X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS,TXREP,USER_IN_WELCOMELIST,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on server2.sourceware.org List-Id: Hi - > [...] Where was a statement from key members of the GNU Toolchain > projects -- the people who actually use the services and > infrastructure on a day to day basis for their participation in the > GNU Toolchain projects -- asking for an alternative proposal? When > were they allowed to participate in the preparation of the > "Sourceware" proposal, supposedly for their benefit? [...] This echoes a question asked during the Cauldron session. I believe it was during the second half, whose Zoom recording is for some reason still not published. Could you ask Jeremy to fix that please? Anyway, to try to recount what I said then: the SFC proposal is independent of the various guest projects. It does not pretend to speak for any of them. It does not impose any changes on them. All the guests are just as welcome to come, stay, and leave, as they have always been. For this reason, it was not necessary to draw a stakeholder map and conduct years-long negotiations behind the scenes. Everyone has been invited to advise, in public, since August 30. - FChE